1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,760 All right, everybody, we're going to go ahead and get started here. 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:05,240 My name is Brent Mai. 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:09,640 It's my privilege to serve as the dean of the Carpenter Library here at UNF. 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,640 And I'd like to welcome you to the second one of our speaker series. 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,000 As part of the celebration of UNF's 50th anniversary, 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,880 today's event is a panel entitled History. 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,880 Activated A Local Civil. 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,960 Rights Past and Present. 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,440 And it will be co-moderated. 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,840 By Drs.. Tru Leverette and Felicia Bevel. 11 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,800 I'd like to make you aware this presentation is being recorded 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,440 via Zoom and will be available and that way as well. 13 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,600 I'm going to hand it off now to Dr. 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,560 Bevel, and she will take it from here. 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,880 Again, welcome to the library. 16 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:45,680 Great. 17 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,520 Thank you so much for that lovely introduction. 18 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,960 And thank you all for joining us this afternoon. 19 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,320 In honor of Black History Month, in honor of the university's 50th anniversary. 20 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,040 Tru, Susan and I met 21 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,760 way back in the fall to really think through the ways that we can center 22 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,480 local history, right center Black existence 23 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,160 of within our own Duval County. 24 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,200 And so we brought together this panel. 25 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,360 We're going to introduce the panelists, and then we'll get started 26 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,280 with our discussion So thank you again for joining us today. 27 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,480 So in the middle, we have Dr. 28 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,280 James Beasley, 29 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,000 who teaches courses and rhetorical history 30 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,200 theory and research here at UNF. 31 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,760 His work has been published in college composition and communication. 32 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:37,840 J.G.E. 33 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,880 The Journal of General Education Rhetoric 34 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,920 Review and Intercultural 35 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,240 Acculturation. 36 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:48,680 His work with the Humanities Institute 37 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,760 and the Lincolnville Museum and Cultural Center 38 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,680 has been previously published in the article Process after Product 39 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:01,040 and Electric Models for Community Based Learning and Sex Shop Experiments. 40 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,240 Summer Tony 41 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,040 is the author of Rhetoric at the University of Chicago 42 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,280 and author of Dramatis and Musical Theater 43 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,840 Experiments and Rhetorical Performance, both from feature length. 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,280 Thank you for joining us, Dr. Beasley. 45 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,160 We also have as a guest today, Mr. 46 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,560 Ennis Davis, who is joining us via Zoom from Tallahassee, 47 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,040 He is a senior planner 48 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,120 with Alfred Ashton Company and the Florida Department 49 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,560 of Transportation, District five, in-house consultant, 50 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,360 a graduate of Florida A&M University and of Ancestry. 51 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,240 Mr. Davis is a public historian dedicated to exclusively 52 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,040 uplifting people, communities and protecting their cultural heritage 53 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,720 and sense of place. 54 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,000 He's also the vice president of membership and outreach for the Florida 55 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,400 chapter of the American Planning Association, 56 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,160 a Florida Trust for Historic Preservation Trustee and chair of the Florida Trust 57 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,480 Fund to Save Committee, author of the award winning books 58 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,920 Reclaiming Jacksonville, Coen Brothers, the Big Store 59 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,680 and Images of Modern America, Jacksonville. 60 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,160 He's also founder of Urban Self Investments and co-founder of the online 61 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:16,120 media publications The Jackson Mag dot com and Modern Cities dot com. 62 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,720 So thank you for joining us today. 63 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:22,480 And then to my immediate right, we have Mr. 64 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,360 Rodney Lawrence Hurst Sr. 65 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:29,840 who is a father, grandfather, great grandfather, widower cancer survivor 66 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,720 and civil rights activist, black historian and a United States Air Force veteran 67 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,600 a native of Jacksonville and a 1960 high school 68 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,080 graduate of segregated Northwestern junior senior high school in Jacksonville. 69 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,160 Mr. Hurst was a 16 year old president 70 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,320 of the Jacksonville Youth Council NAACP. 71 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,560 And was one of the leaders of the 1960s counseled sit in demonstrations. 72 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,000 He is the award winning author of three books. 73 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,120 It was never about a hot dog and a Coke which is a personal account of the 1960s 74 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,360 sit in demonstrations right here in Jacksonville 75 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:07,520 unless we tell it 76 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,040 it never gets told and never forget who you are. 77 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:16,120 Conversations about racism and identity development which he coauthored with Dr. 78 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:16,840 Rudy F. 79 00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:20,080 Jamison who works here at UNF as well. 80 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:21,720 He is the 81 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,720 recipient of numerous awards such as the Dr. 82 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,040 Mary McLeod Bethune visionary award given by the National Alumni 83 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,440 Association of Bethune Cookman University and the Clanzel T. 84 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,240 Brown Award presented by the Jacksonville Urban League. 85 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:40,320 A self a pro-life member of the National Association 86 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,840 for the Advancement of Colored People, NAACP. 87 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,280 Mr. Hurst is involved with several boards and agencies in the Jacksonville 88 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:51,960 community and speaks extensively on civil rights, black history and racism. 89 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,400 I know that particularly this month, Mr. 90 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,320 Hurst has been very busy with various speaking engagements. 91 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,720 So we're very grateful for you joining us today. 92 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,280 Mr. Hurst. 93 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:07,400 My pleasure. 94 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,880 We also have with us Mia McNair at the opposite end of the table to spend 95 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,120 me is Miss McNair is a Jacksonville 96 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,200 native who studied performance theater at Douglas Anderson School of the Arts. 97 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,480 After graduating high school, she studied history here at UNF while 98 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,600 also studying art history and professional education as minors. 99 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:29,160 Miss McNair 100 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,160 is now an intern with the Durkeeville Historical Society, and she has a penchant 101 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,440 for preserving historical sites in order for future generations 102 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,720 to enjoy and pass on knowledge to future generations. 103 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,760 Thank you for being with us. 104 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:42,720 Thank you. 105 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,520 Now, without further ado, we would like to get started with our discussion. 106 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,640 So we've wanted to open up the discussion today to think more about the local. 107 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,560 And this is something that I've just recently 108 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,240 spoken with some of my students about in my civil rights group. 109 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,440 Of course, a couple today. 110 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,120 Thank you for coming. 111 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,240 And it's really important to think about the ways 112 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,760 in which the larger black freedom struggle and the civil rights movement 113 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,480 more specifically has unfolded at the local level. 114 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:17,920 Right? 115 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,600 What are the forms of resistance that have happened right here in LA County? 116 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,680 So we wanted to ask the panel, 117 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,000 why is a local lens important for understanding civil rights? 118 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,720 And to follow up with that, what current problems 119 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,520 related to racial injustice in northeast Florida do you see as most urgent? 120 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,200 So I'll open it up to the panel 121 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,360 if anyone would like to begin our discussion. 122 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,160 Call on so. 123 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,760 No doubt you can go ahead and speak. 124 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,920 All civil rights issues are local 125 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,040 local black folk 126 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,760 who the period of time 127 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:09,840 have dealt with 128 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,320 racism in their individual communities. 129 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,200 And they have fought that racism locally 130 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,600 it's only when the white media 131 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,720 then projects that local demonstration 132 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,640 of that fight to a national level that it gets to be a national story 133 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,600 in Jacksonville, prior to shopping centers, 134 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,600 there were downtown stores, 135 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,360 miniature Wal-Marts, or targets, if you will, 136 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,400 that had either one or two lunch counters. 137 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,840 They invited black shoppers into 138 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,520 to eat, to shop, to shop, 139 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,360 but they only wanted them to shop 140 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,640 and spend their money where they wanted them to shop. 141 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:01,680 And spend their money 142 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:04,520 all of these 143 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,400 department stores had lunch counters 144 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:09,720 if they had one. 145 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,240 And if you were black, you went to the end of the lunch counter, stood up. 146 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,680 You could not sit down, order your food and hope that your food, 147 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,840 if you were ordering something hot, would get back to you before the food that goes 148 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,520 if the store was large enough, like Corn Brothers, where 149 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,720 City Hall is now, or Woolworth's 150 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:38,480 where the federal courthouse is downtown, there were two lunch counters, white 151 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,840 lunch counters that you could immediately see when you walk into the store 152 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,760 Negro or colored lunch counter at the back of the store 153 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,680 behind the aquarium, the pet food, the pets, 154 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,840 pet supply as 155 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:58,280 and the line equipment 156 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:01,480 we said that was insulting. 157 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:06,680 These white lunch 158 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:09,680 counters were visible vestiges of segregation 159 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:16,080 and a black school teacher 160 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,400 who taught me in eighth grade American history named Rutledge Pearson, 161 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,920 who was the advisor to our youth counsel, encouraged us from his classrooms 162 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,000 to join the Youth Council, NAACP, which I did, they delivered 163 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:36,200 I became president at age 15 and led the sit ins downtown in downtown 164 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:42,000 Jacksonville against the segregated and racist policies of the stores 165 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,680 and the city of Jacksonville in 1960 166 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:49,400 thank you. Right. 167 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,600 We can clearly see the importance of black youth, right? 168 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,400 And not only the local civil rights movement 169 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,320 but in really protesting white supremacist practices and policies. 170 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,800 Young black people led every civil rights movement in this country. 171 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:06,320 Right? 172 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,520 So when you talk about civil rights movements, 173 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,760 no matter when those movements started in the forefront 174 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:18,000 of all of those movements, you had young black people leading those movements. 175 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,760 But anyone else like to jump in 176 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,200 about the importance of the local 177 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,840 well, I'll say that 178 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,600 growing up in Jacksonville, you know, 179 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,840 you had classes that kind of talked about General history, 180 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,680 but we didn't really learn anything about local history. 181 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,840 And I took a class here, actually my senior year public history, 182 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:45,600 and I started learning. 183 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,800 So much that I was like, wow, I've gone to these places my whole life, 184 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,760 like the James Weldon Johnson Park, formerly known as Hemingway Plaza 185 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,520 and I didn't know 186 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,840 that accidental Saturday happened there all my life. 187 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:01,800 I did not know. 188 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,360 So I think it's really important to not just know the general history 189 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,080 of the United States in terms of civil rights, but it's important to know 190 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:14,840 where you walk, where you go to every day to know what has happened there. 191 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,640 And kind of contextualize it in the greater history of Jacksonville. 192 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:22,520 Exactly right. 193 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,360 That the very landscapes and physical spaces that we navigate 194 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:27,640 every day, 195 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,880 people often aren't aware of the histories that have taken place 196 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:32,320 and so Jaisal and Dr. 197 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,440 Park is is such an important site, right, in 198 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,560 in sort of remembering and celebrating 199 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,880 a local civil rights activist executive secretary 200 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:48,080 and the ACP creator of the Negro National Anthem often know that as well. 201 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:48,840 Right. 202 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,520 That that that history is rooted right here in Jacksonville. 203 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:53,440 Right. 204 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,320 And so space is such an important lens to think about 205 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,360 the importance of the local as well as. 206 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,920 Speed bumps. 207 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:04,560 Can you elaborate. 208 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:05,160 So on. 209 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,840 So on Saturday at the Resilience Family Festival in Lincolnville 210 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,360 or in West West Augustine, the 211 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,440 I met another young man, Malcolm X, who 212 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:18,040 grew up in 213 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,760 West Augustine, moved to West Virginia, 214 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,600 wanted his little girl to be brought up in the same neighborhood that he was. 215 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,520 So he moved her back to West Augustine 216 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,120 and he was complaining about the lack of speed bumps, 217 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:40,440 that the speed bumps went downtown in the predominantly white area, 218 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,200 but he couldn't get speed bumps 219 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,400 in the in the school area around his family's home. 220 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,600 So the court the question about what current problems 221 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,760 is most urgent for Malcolm X and West obviously speed bumps. 222 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,640 Thank you for adding that 223 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:03,120 that is it's definitely something that I think 224 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,480 a large percentage of the population wouldn't normally consider. 225 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,160 But it's an impact on people's lives 226 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,920 and their ability to to stay safe and to raise their families, certainly. 227 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:15,240 What about others? 228 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,360 If you do have thoughts about what current 229 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,600 problems related to racial injustice that our area 230 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,320 has urgent need to to rectify 231 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:29,120 I'm not sure if Mr. 232 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:29,960 Davis. 233 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,080 Is having connection problems. 234 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,600 Oh, no. 235 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:35,840 The University of North Florida 236 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,160 was built as a suburban white university 237 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:41,840 university. 238 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,160 It was first built. 239 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,000 There were no 240 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,320 municipal busses that came out here 241 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,120 I had the occasion to be the first reporter. 242 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:04,240 I was on fellowship with the Corporation for Public Broadcasting at Channel Seven. 243 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,600 And I introduced I interviewed 244 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,840 Dr. Carpenter when he came to Jacksonville in 1970 245 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,760 as the president of the University of North Florida two years 246 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,960 before the university started in 1970 247 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,320 but increasingly 248 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,920 it was evident that the university was built 249 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:35,520 as a suburban white university not wanting black students. 250 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,960 My interpretation and others 251 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,760 to come to the university. 252 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:42,840 Well why do you say that? 253 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:48,880 Because they did not make it available to come to the university I dare say. 254 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,880 Then as now there were more black faculty 255 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:57,200 members and black students at the university then than there are now. 256 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,520 And the university is still 257 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,480 does not extend itself north and west of the St John's River. 258 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,920 That natural boundary which separates this community 259 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:11,280 that's one. 260 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,800 I mean, the presence of a senior university 261 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,600 north and west of the St John's River is very important. 262 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,680 Yet that presence is not there 263 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,160 it does not take 264 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,200 someone to say nigger are jungle bunny 265 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,640 or go back to Africa for black folk to know what you are saying 266 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,720 when you talk about the urban poor and you talk about the urban core 267 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,120 and you talk about where crime most 268 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,000 manifests itself in this community, 269 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,880 those code word conversations 270 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,040 that you see on the news of that, you see on and forums 271 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,400 is designed to let white folk know we're talking about black folk 272 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,800 because crime, as everyone knows, crime never occurs in the white community. 273 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:07,200 So we still have an instance of where we don't communicate. 274 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:09,240 We are 275 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,600 not honest yet white folk and black folk with each other. 276 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,680 And we don't like to talk about 277 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,000 uncomfortable conversations like racism 278 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,480 we don't do it. 279 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,960 We develop what I call comfort speak where we say 280 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,720 things that we think our white friends and black friends want to hear, 281 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,240 because if it gets too uncomfortable, then we are going to enjoy each other. 282 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,440 When we go to see a Jaguars game or we go to the spa, we go on vacation 283 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:41,760 or we go out to dinner 284 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,840 because you might bring up one of those uncomfortable things. 285 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:47,560 So they sit out. 286 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:52,400 They are still uncomfortable and we don't broach those subjects 287 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,440 because we don't want to and we don't like to. 288 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:57,960 We don't think they're important 289 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,400 and then we are intimidated by doing it 290 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,240 based on the politicians of the politics of the day. 291 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,280 And until we broach 292 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,000 and talk about some of those uncomfortable subjects, 293 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,920 we are still going to have some major communication problems 294 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,680 in Jacksonville like we've had over the years. 295 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,080 That's exactly right. 296 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,280 The ways in which racism 297 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:28,040 can be manifested, not just through explicit 298 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,040 racial epithet or explicit 299 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,080 laws or policies, but 300 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,320 more subtly right through the structures of communities, 301 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,680 right through the relationship between universities, 302 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,640 and their surrounding communities. 303 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,440 And what you said, Mr. 304 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:44,680 Hurst, about 305 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:49,560 you wind up still being inaccessible to a lot of local high school students. 306 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,760 Right. That 307 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,360 the idea of that as a place of belonging 308 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,080 for black students of color is sometimes 309 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,520 still something that we need, that we really need to think critically about. 310 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:05,120 And then there's 311 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:08,360 this idea of uncomfortable conversations, right. 312 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:11,640 And the attack that we're now seeing against people, 313 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,280 race theory all over the country, right? 314 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,600 Any sort of conversation about slavery, racism, 315 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,040 the legacy of various state projects, 316 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,720 as you all are very well aware, that has come under attack. 317 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,960 And so it's we're in a moment where it's 318 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,320 even more urgent to have these conversations. 319 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,280 And so I thank you for bringing that up. 320 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,960 So moving from 321 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,280 some of the things that we're seeing as contemporary problems, 322 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,400 we also wanted to ask each of the four of you what 323 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,040 civil rights related projects that you are currently working on 324 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,520 or the institutions that you represent that you're currently working on? 325 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,160 What are some of those projects that you have on your desks right now? 326 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:58,800 I'll I'll jump 327 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,440 in here since I didn't say anything that first one there. 328 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,640 And it's a problem that that is pretty urgent. 329 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:07,600 And current. 330 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,240 Just following up on what Mr. 331 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:15,080 Harris had to say about people not wanting to have uncomfortable conversations 332 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,640 because we don't have those uncomfortable conversations, we are still at a point 333 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,280 today where we have about 334 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,440 systemically discriminatory public policies 335 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,440 all over the city, all over the state, all over the country 336 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,600 in terms of land use, in terms of infrastructure investment, 337 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,240 in terms of resilience, basically the whole nine yards. 338 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,600 So one of the things 339 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,480 we've been working on with the East Side, for example, 340 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,000 is this idea of within four ification, 341 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,400 which is the opposite of gentrification. 342 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,800 If you look at the history of the city, we know what happened to LA Villa. 343 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,040 We can see what's happening to Brooklyn now. 344 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,480 We also know that the sports, the entertainment district, 345 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,960 which is originally a part of the Eastside is an opportunity zone as the 346 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,640 E site is itself, which is basically a tax haven for the rich. 347 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:17,800 So if we don't do if we continue to wait for 348 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,640 investment and things to take place, that is a community 349 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,600 that would also get run over by the policies that are in place. 350 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:25,920 So this idea 351 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,040 I deal with gentrification is to 352 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,480 revitalize from within with a community lead in that process. 353 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,200 And one of the main things that we've been focusing on is changing 354 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:48,320 the systemic policies that have led to the environment of Eastside 355 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,920 being what it is today in terms of economically distressed, in terms of 356 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,720 encouraging displacement of the existing residents, 357 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,720 in terms of not given 358 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,480 equitable and inclusive 359 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:09,280 economic access to policies and programs we already have on the books. 360 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,520 So we're working on reversing that now 361 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:14,560 and protecting the residents that are there. 362 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:20,600 So as new development occurs in downtown and in the sports entertainment district, 363 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,320 it comes in as a benefit to the community as opposed to 364 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:25,840 a detriment 365 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:28,400 wonderful. 366 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,560 Thank you for sharing that. 367 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,600 What other projects are happening. 368 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:39,560 In in dovetailing 369 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,200 that to Davis, whether he is a de not 370 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,560 I still call it that the Davis 371 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,240 on the east side 372 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,280 lisc local investment corporation 373 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,400 lift and also adopt a Jamison's 374 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,400 not for profit life leadership is everyone. 375 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,520 Everybody is working on 376 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,200 doing some of those things in the east side. 377 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,640 What the city of Jacksonville has done, 378 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,720 like with the bill, there was a portion of Jacksonville called Sugar Hill, 379 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,880 which started at around Myrtle Avenue and Eighth Street 380 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,760 and extended to Jefferson Street and Eighth Street. 381 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,440 And if Jacksonville ever had an identifiable middle 382 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,160 class, that's where the middle class was located. 383 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:40,040 On those eight, nine blocks or more on both sides of the street, brick 384 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,680 to store buildings where black folk lives 385 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,960 and the mayor of Jacksonville, 386 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,360 Ben Hayden Byrnes, and then later became governor 387 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:55,320 and they decided to bring I-95 right through the middle of that area. 388 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,880 Did not have to, but they did. 389 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,920 Destroying Sugar Hill, 390 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,400 destroying parts of that neighborhood 391 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:11,360 and destroying a major park where black that blacks used at that time. 392 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,200 So it 393 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,160 was so you would think that 394 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,080 we would not have to drag up 395 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,720 all of these things that have happened in Jackson Vale 396 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:29,040 as if Jacksonville is a progressive community. 397 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,840 Jacksonville has never been a progressive community. 398 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,640 In fact, I say publicly 399 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,480 that you can't use progressive in Jacksonville in the same sentence 400 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,600 because Jacksonville history speaks for itself. 401 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,320 Now, after saying that the projects that that Dr. 402 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,720 Davis 403 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,120 talked about, the projects that's happening on the East Side, 404 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,440 we with the Chris and that the dancing here in Dr. 405 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,200 Jamison and the United Way of Northeast Florida, 406 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,760 we are planning a civil rights conference here in Jacksonville. 407 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,640 On August 25th 26, 27, 408 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,040 with five or six 409 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,480 nationally known speakers, including Dr. 410 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,680 Freeman Hrabowski done at a beach called in Dr. 411 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,240 Michael Eric Dyson. And 412 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,560 when you talk about a civil rights conference 413 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,640 all of a sudden everyone gets on alert 414 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,040 and I was asked by the media, well, 415 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:36,600 why are you having a civil rights conference, especially now, 416 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:41,240 given the atmosphere and the politics of this nation right now? 417 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,440 And my response was, why not? 418 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,520 There is no special time 419 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,560 to have a civil rights conference and to talk about issues. 420 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,360 And that's what many folks are trying to do 421 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,520 from extending into the community 422 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,480 having speakers series, if you will, 423 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,600 doing some of the things to get 424 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,760 people stimulated and out of that 425 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,520 box, that cookie cutter box 426 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,680 that we tend to fold into 427 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:21,760 and talk about how what do we do to make a community better and move on? 428 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,440 What do we do in our schools to keep the schools 429 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,760 from being patterned teaching out of the box? 430 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:36,440 I was scheduled to teach at a school I took to speak to a class to that 431 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,400 at a school and the principal wanted to know to the sponsor who invited me 432 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,200 what is he going to talk about? 433 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,320 I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to talk about. 434 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,480 I've written three books. 435 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,840 I'm involved in a lot of activities. 436 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,680 Do you think I'm going to come in 437 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,400 and say something that would not only bring dishonor on me, 438 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,400 but also the community saying something, the young people? 439 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,600 That's not the truth. 440 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,960 Whenever I talk, I'm talking about honesty and truth. 441 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,120 And if you don't want to hear that, then I'm not going to tell you. 442 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:13,800 So this invite me, 443 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,080 but that's another thing that we've got to do. 444 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,160 We've got to have this conversation and we won't do it. 445 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,320 We will not do 446 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,160 and that is 447 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,040 a strike against all of us, 448 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,920 especially in professional education, in academic, you 449 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,480 we will not talk 450 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,320 about things that we need to talk about. 451 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,240 Sounds like the Civil Rights Conference will be a good opportunity for that. 452 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,120 So that's August 25th. 453 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:49,320 And it also coincides with the sixth second anniversary of. 454 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,640 That scandal Saturday. 455 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:52,360 Yeah. 456 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,880 And as you said, having these conversations are especially important 457 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:57,640 at this time. 458 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,240 Right the fact that the questions holding a civil rights conference, 459 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,280 this is the most urgent time to have one, right? 460 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:05,400 Whether it's, 461 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,640 like I said, the attack on conversations about racism and slavery, whether it's 462 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,800 the continued violence against black individuals by police, 463 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,400 this is the moment where we need to be having these different conversations. 464 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,680 So I'm looking forward to that conference 465 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,200 because I want to tell us a little bit about your work with Lincolnville, 466 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,320 because you've really tried 467 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,240 to bring that conversation into the classroom with your students. 468 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,160 Sure. So 469 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,000 I teach 470 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,040 several courses in the English department 471 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,920 and in our digital Humanities Minor, 472 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:49,080 and an ongoing project that we have is with the Resilience Project in 473 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,720 in Saint Augustine, and that's 474 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,920 a consortium 475 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,560 of museums and historical centers 476 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,040 that are there to celebrate 477 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,880 Black History in Saint Augustine and in Lincolnville. 478 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,720 And so 479 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,440 there's been a succession of projects that my students 480 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,760 have been working on over the last three or four years. 481 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,200 And we started with the Richard Klein photos 482 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,040 and did some work with Richard Twain photos 483 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,040 and donated those images to the Lincolnville Museum 484 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,240 as part of their permanent exhibit on on display right now. 485 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,080 I Susan Slideshows is here today 486 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,720 and so Susan is our archivist here at you enough 487 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,040 and part of the work that we've been doing in digital 488 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,480 humanities is to partner with the Lincolnville Museum 489 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,440 find out what kinds of projects that they would like 490 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,000 our students to work on if they've got some 491 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,960 some memory projects or some archival projects. 492 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,800 And so for the last three or four years, we've been having 493 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,120 a succession of these particular projects. 494 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,800 So last year, Susan, was able to help us with the 495 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:04,320 with the 496 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,120 Civil War pension records that are on file here. 497 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,400 And so we were able to take a number of those files 498 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,480 and upload them into a database so that the Lincolnville Museum is able to 499 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,600 demonstrate and to show the, the, the, 500 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,720 the the resilience of the widows 501 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,040 and the the relatives of these soldiers 502 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,440 as they persisted against systematic racism. 503 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,200 And in their attempt to secure their pensions. 504 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:40,080 So that was a project that was extremely worthwhile last year. 505 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,320 And then this current year, we're working with the Lincoln Building Museum 506 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,280 on an updated Green Book project 507 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,560 where we're utilizing our Carpenter Library, Sanborn Insurance maps 508 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,800 from the 1920s and kind of recreating 509 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,160 and some records from the Saint Augustine Historical Society 510 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,400 and recreating what Washington Street in Lincolnville would have been like 511 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,760 in the twenties, in the thirties and the forties and kind of 512 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,160 working with them 513 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,240 in the Lincolnville Museum to create an exhibit 514 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,080 at the end of the semester to celebrate black owned businesses. 515 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,480 And if you were talking about the problems of gentrification. 516 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,400 And so this is something 517 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,160 that we're trying to work on in the Lincolnville area as well. 518 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,960 So thank you. Great. 519 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:30,840 That's wonderful. 520 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,000 Those are really exciting and meaningful partnerships among students 521 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,320 and community entities that I'm looking forward to seeing that 522 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,600 the newest the newest exhibit to the end of the semester. 523 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,160 And Mr. 524 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,400 McNair, what's going on in historical society? 525 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,520 And if you all haven't been to the difficult museum, 526 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,320 it's it's a hidden gem, so please check it out. Yes. 527 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,120 So we're currently working on a podcast. 528 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,920 We just interviewed a woman that is in her nineties. 529 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,360 So we're trying to get as much information out of her as possible. 530 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,400 And we are currently working on the Lift Every Voice 531 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:13,080 Sing Park at the birthplace of James Weldon Johnson and John Rosemond Johnson. 532 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,520 And I think it's going to 533 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,520 be a great venue for different events 534 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,040 and it'll be kind of a really solid place to visit in order 535 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,320 to commemorate the two brothers instead of if any of you have seen it. 536 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,440 It's kind of just the field out there 537 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,160 and it has a plaque out there, so you know what it is. 538 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,120 But now there's going to be actual a physical thing to look at 539 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,760 and kind of a replica of what their house kind of looked like and there's 540 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,200 going to be lyrics from Lift Every Voice and Sing projected up onto the building. 541 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,520 It's going to be really cool. 542 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,760 I wish I could show you pictures. 543 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,720 It's really exciting that really is exciting. 544 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,480 So I like how you're talking about the solid place to visit. 545 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:53,800 Right? 546 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,680 And that kind of connects with what 547 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,520 what Anna said earlier about space and place being so important. 548 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:00,760 Let me dovetail 549 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,360 what you said. 550 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,960 Lord Washington, who is the director of the director of the Historical Society, 551 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,280 testified before the House Committee on the Judiciary, 552 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,400 virtually 553 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,280 Congressman James 554 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,880 Clyburn from South Carolina 555 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,920 has introduced a bill to make lift 556 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,120 every voice and sing the national anthem 557 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,040 now, I always have to 558 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,560 not necessarily correct this, but just set the record straight. 559 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,680 James Weldon Johnson joined the NAACP in 2009 in in 560 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:44,280 in 1990 and 1960 and he became 561 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,520 the executive secretary now president or executive director of the NAACP. 562 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,640 In 1920 the NAACP adopted lift 563 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,760 every voice and saying as the national Negro 564 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,760 him in 1923 James Weldon Johnson never wanted 565 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:07,000 lift every voice and same sort of as the national Negro anthem 566 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,800 that caught on unfortunately but he did not want that 567 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,720 so I never referred to it as the national Negro Anthem 568 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,840 but rather the national Negro him as I supported by the NAACP 569 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,920 and how it's being voted on and ashamed shameless plug 570 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,400 I donated my civil rights and black history papers 571 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,800 to the park and to the library here 572 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,040 that working with Miss White Thomas 573 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,520 and those persons here at the library 574 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,480 and I also my black heritage stamp 575 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,320 collection that starts 576 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,600 in 1978 with Harriet Tubman. 577 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,920 Every year the United States Postal 578 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,520 Service selects one black person 579 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,800 as part of that Black Heritage Stamp series. 580 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,960 So from 1978 to now I've collected a lot of memorabilia 581 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,520 for each of those persons as issued by the United States Postal Service. 582 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,160 You can teach an entire class on that stamp series. 583 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,800 And by the way the impetus for my donating 584 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,120 to the library both my civil rights papers 585 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,920 my black is the papers and my stamp collection came from Dr. 586 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,400 Rudy Jamison and Dr. 587 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,360 Christiansen. 588 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,960 So, Suzanne, among your help, along with your help, 589 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,120 they are also responsible for what my contribution to the university. 590 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,160 Yeah, that's great. 591 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,800 And I can tell you, I've taken my civil rights class there in the past and 592 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,600 letting on doing that later this semester. 593 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,280 And they really love to look at that collection and really, 594 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,560 really appreciate the experience in the archive. 595 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:53,760 Right. 596 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,440 And that's something that you were also bringing up, Dr. 597 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,120 Beasley. Right. 598 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:02,360 The importance of having access to material about black history. 599 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,840 Right. That in and of itself is an act of resistance. 600 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,120 And so to think about our public spaces 601 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,240 as sites of protest, 602 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:13,640 I think is also an important part of our conversation. 603 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:13,920 Here. 604 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,080 So thank you for donating your experiences. 605 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,280 Special Collections. You 606 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,600 so I think will we'll sort of 607 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,360 transition now to thinking about ways that you all are engaging 608 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,760 with the public and it's something that we've already started to discuss. 609 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,520 But we'd like you to talk a little bit about the importance of engaging with 610 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,040 the public 611 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,760 and if there are any ways that the pandemic 612 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,080 has created challenges in doing this public facing work 613 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,400 the question is. 614 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,320 You know, 615 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,920 if you're not at the table, you're typically the meal. 616 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,920 And in many of our black communities, that's 617 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,640 certainly the reason 618 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,600 they disappear in terms of gentrification. 619 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,840 Displacement is certainly the reason that they are 620 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,280 economically distressed, 621 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,600 because we have not had a seat at that decision making table 622 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,680 when it comes to the proper type of investments 623 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,840 that are culturally appropriate for the community. 624 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,080 So with that being said, I would say 625 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,480 in my world, 626 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,240 which in urban planning is whatever you do, 627 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,360 you're always trying to if you're doing it right, 628 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,080 you're always engaging the public in really what you're doing is 629 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,240 you're facilitating 630 00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:46,120 what the public actually needs you listening more than you actually talking. 631 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,480 You know, from my perspective, I can never go into anybody's community 632 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,840 and tell them what they need or what they don't need or what 633 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:54,720 we're going to put there. 634 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:56,400 These are 635 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,080 families that have gone generations, and I'm a sixth generation Floridian. 636 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:05,040 And so I can, you know, I mean, so every every neighborhood has got his own story. 637 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,400 And so you go where the people 638 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,280 are at in their territory and you listen to them. 639 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,760 And then I'll just say that the pandemic, 640 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,000 I think, created some new opportunities in terms of community engagement. 641 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,040 I know 642 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,360 during 20, 20, most people 643 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,600 were powered up in the house, 644 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,480 isolated and that that took a negative impact on 645 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,640 mental wellbeing and just self-care. 646 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,000 And one of the things that we were able to do that year 647 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,600 was we started doing outdoor walking towards later 648 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,720 on that year where we would just go to a different neighborhood. 649 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,880 We go to Louisville and we walk and we talk sometimes. 650 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,640 90 people came out, we had a space and not a part, but 651 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,800 we talked the history of those sites 652 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,320 and the history of the individuals that were associated with those sites. 653 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,600 And it became an interesting way 654 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,680 to interactively engage 655 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,760 a community that largely knows nothing about its history. 656 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,800 It's neighborhoods. 657 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,480 And if we want to get to an inclusive 658 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,560 and equitable point in the future, knowing your past 659 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,200 is one of the most critical things that you can do 660 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,560 right. Exactly. 661 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,640 And being in the space itself. 662 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,080 Right, and learning that history, I think is really critical. 663 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,000 I think it is meaningful. 664 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,520 I do just want to add that one of my classes have the pleasure 665 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,360 of taking a bike tour of Louisville with with Ellis Davis. 666 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,080 And it really was one of the most 667 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,480 engaging and formative ways to learn about the history of the area. 668 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,640 So again, coming back to that idea of the spaces 669 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,680 and the places, the physical and solid evidence of 670 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:55,160 of this history of the civil rights challenges that we still face, 671 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,040 I think that's a wonderful way to gain insight into those issues. 672 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,360 And I'm glad you're doing that work. 673 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,760 In 2018 674 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,080 Dr. Jamison suggested that 675 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,080 we put a mural 676 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,120 of public art mural up on the side of the East Side Brotherhood building, 677 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,400 which is on a Philip Randolph Boulevard 678 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,320 so they recruited 25 students, 679 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,240 black and white, students, 680 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,800 and we taught them about what happened. 681 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,600 They decided that they wanted to do what 682 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,040 we call the Hope in History mural 683 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,600 but the students decided what would go on 684 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,000 the on the side of the building 685 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,600 and for a year 686 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,560 through Dr. 687 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,680 Jamison and Dr. 688 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,720 Jensen, we talked with them about Jacksonville's 689 00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,720 civil rights movement and what happened with that example. 690 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:05,960 Saturday, we took them to Human Park to talk to them about what happened 691 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,440 in some of the landmarks in downtown Jacksonville. 692 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,600 We showed them the marker that's there. 693 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,360 Then we recruited ah, they did an assistant 694 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,400 muralist, Susan Pickett, 695 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,200 and the lead muralist, Nicole 696 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,320 to coordinate this mural. 697 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:32,240 But the young people, these young black and white students for a year 698 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,480 were taught and they understood 699 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,280 about what happened in Jacksonville that history 700 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,080 that they would not even remotely know about 701 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,160 Chris and Rudy. 702 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,960 Also, Dr. Janson and Dr. 703 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,320 Drew down said something called Community Learning Exchanges, 704 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,280 where they put people in a circle which is just absolutely outstanding. 705 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,320 So when it became time to put that mural up, 706 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,280 just watching it unfold, 707 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,040 and again, the mural was based on Accessible Saturday 708 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,000 with pictures, some images from my book, but also images of Mr. 709 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,760 Pearson on the front of the building. 710 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,560 And it told a story that these young people not only are proud 711 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,560 of, we're proud and are proud now, but it got to be a source. 712 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,560 It is a source of pride right now on the East Side. 713 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,120 And it was voted the number one public art mural in the city 714 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,840 last year by by Channel four. 715 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,720 It was a 716 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,240 the genesis of a 717 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,440 conversation about what happened 718 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,680 that would not have happened had 719 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,400 that project had not not been undertaken 720 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,840 and not been stirred, if you will, by by Dr. 721 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,280 Jamison and Dr. J. 722 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:01,040 And I think that's important to because those young people understood 723 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,280 what it was like, especially when I told them I was no older than them. 724 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,200 I was 16 when Mr. 725 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:12,960 Pearson in his class would tell us, Freedom is not free. 726 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,120 If you are not a part of the solution, you are part of the problem. 727 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,320 A public school teacher. 728 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,080 They understood 729 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,560 you're speaking about that, that really impactful mural. 730 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:27,640 And I think you're leading us 731 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,960 really nicely into the question that we wanted to ask as well 732 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,560 about what activism looks like within and outside of the academy. 733 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,160 And that's and that's an activist 734 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,160 work of art that, as you say, has led to more meaningful conversations 735 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,360 and to a group of young people really learning the history of this of this city. 736 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,600 So we wanted to ask everyone on the panel that question, what does activism look 737 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,040 like within and outside of the academy and how can institutions like you and 738 00:42:59,040 --> 00:42:59,800 having now 739 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,400 been a part of the Jacksonville community for 50 years, 740 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,720 play a role in ensuring that the legacy of the movement and leaders such as Mr. 741 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:11,040 Rodney continue to shape activism moving forward. 742 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:17,560 The mural is an example of 743 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,440 kind of from that question of this one 744 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,520 the mural is an example of rhetorical velocity 745 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,600 that that as we think and part of the 746 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,720 the the challenges of COVID are the 747 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,800 the opportunities of COVID is that in a lot of ways 748 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:40,000 being online or on Zoom has accelerated the limitations of print culture 749 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,640 so you know, for example, I teach a lot of writing classes and, 750 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:50,880 you know, the students know how to know how to compose a sentence 751 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:56,400 and they know how to discover a subject and arrange their paragraphs. 752 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:57,680 But the 753 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,320 the other two canons of rhetoric 754 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,800 other than invention, style and arrangement 755 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,400 are memory and delivery 756 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,280 and so what's happening as we as we have a culture of students that 757 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,080 that that we can tap into, that they 758 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,320 they know not what they don't know as much. 759 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,160 What to say as. Where to say it. 760 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,760 So where you put something matters. 761 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,120 And so if you put it on Instagram, if you if you put it on Twitter, 762 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,240 if you put it on Facebook, that that the you're 763 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:39,560 you're after a certain audience, you're after a certain impact 764 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,760 and I think that that's one of the the opportunities of COVID 765 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,280 is to really engage students a sense of rhetorical delivery 766 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,400 and for them to think about some of these important symbols that can be 767 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,120 can be 768 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:03,040 disseminated throughout these these particular their own communities, 769 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,680 but also communities that are outside of that of the academy itself 770 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:09,600 right. 771 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,080 And thinking about sort of the digital as the 772 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,840 platform that students can really engage in innovative ways. 773 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:17,280 Right. 774 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,480 Whether it's through digital exhibits. 775 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:20,680 Right. 776 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,880 That especially I have been very supportive of here 777 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:30,200 at you went up or simply access to digitized material. 778 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:30,600 Right. 779 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,520 The fact that so much of the Earth, the white collection, for instance, 780 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,960 that's here is special collections can be viewed online. 781 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:39,040 Right. 782 00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,680 And that that opens up access in ways 783 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:46,080 that that years ago may not have been possible. 784 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,840 One of the things 785 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,720 I would love to see 786 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,800 this university and JCU 787 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,280 and Florida State College and it was university. Do 788 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,120 is start teaching the 789 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,040 truth about American history, 790 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,080 which I call incomplete, 791 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,080 dishonest and racist 792 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:19,200 and for the teachers, for the young people who are becoming teachers. 793 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,960 And I see that in all respect because my journey 794 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,120 in understanding who I am as a black person 795 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,840 and understanding a real 796 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,360 understanding real American history came from 797 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,760 my eighth grade American history teacher, which is 798 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,840 who would not allow us 799 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,160 to study American history 800 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,080 from a racist textbook approved for Negro 801 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:55,040 students in 1955 that only had the name of George 802 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,120 Washington Carver and Booker T Washington in that book, 803 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,560 as if they were the only blacks that 804 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,800 then made salient contributions to this country. 805 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,360 He told us to leave the book at home 806 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,160 and he started to to teach us, 807 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,440 instruct us 808 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,200 about American history outside of that. 809 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,000 Now, real perspective 810 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,120 by those historic why 811 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,640 historians and white textbook authors 812 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,200 so as going forward we've got to start teaching 813 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:33,360 that Christopher Columbus did not discover America, 814 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,680 that Paul Revere 815 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,120 did not ride on a horse from Lexington, the Concord, 816 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,440 that Betsy Ross did not sold the first flag. 817 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,800 And when Thomas Jefferson said, we hold these truths to be self-evident, 818 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,760 that all men are created equal, that they are endowed 819 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,840 by their creator with certain unalienable rights, 820 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,360 that among these rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. 821 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,640 He owned more slaves in Albemarle County 822 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,920 than any other person 823 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,400 how can we talk about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? 824 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:18,000 How can we talk about what our so-called Founding Fathers did and said 825 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:21,960 when they were slave owners? 826 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,760 When of the 56 persons who signed the Declaration of Independence 827 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,360 for the seven owned slaves that George Washington slept, more 828 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,280 enslaved persons than any other president of the first 18 presidents, 829 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,000 12 of them owned slaves and eight of the 12 owned slaves 830 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,200 while they were in the White House 831 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,760 we've got to be honest about that 832 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,760 and what happens when we don't teach it the way it should. 833 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,120 We don't teach about Dan you hear Williams performing the first successful 834 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,160 heart surgery and Charles Drew performing the first 835 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,080 of classifying a blood plasma 836 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,880 and met him and been the first person to set foot on the North Pole. 837 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,040 When those black students 838 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,320 and white students come into your classroom 839 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,120 and they open up a history book and they can only read about 840 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,480 and see images of Europeans and white Americans 841 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,440 who made contributions to Americans society. 842 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:21,360 And black students cannot read about what 843 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,720 their ancestors did, folks who look like them. 844 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:30,080 The playing field is not level it is uneven internally 845 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:32,720 one of 846 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:36,080 my good friends who passed last year was named Dr. 847 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,360 James Lloyd, who wrote a book called Lies. 848 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,560 My teacher told me everything your American history textbook got wrong. 849 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,280 He told me, he said, Right now I've been saying these things 850 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,600 just like you've been saying and other blacks are saying it. 851 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,640 But because I am white, it has traction 852 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,800 we've got to start telling the truth 853 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:01,960 in professional education. 854 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,240 OK, sorry. Around is OK. 855 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:08,040 It needed to be said early. 856 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,120 Oh, yes. 857 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,600 Yes, of course. Yes. 858 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,720 Thank you for coming. 859 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:17,360 Welcome well, that actually does open us up nicely for audience 860 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,960 participation and engagement with some questions for our panelists. 861 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:21,960 Since Dr. 862 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,520 Beasley asked to leave a little bit early. 863 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,840 So we wanted to have an opportunity while he's still here for questions. 864 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,880 So anyone have questions or thoughts about what 865 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,360 the panelists have spoken about? 866 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,840 Just a general comment from the online chat previously. 867 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,960 A school librarian is hoping that someone would write a children's picture book 868 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,720 regarding the sit ins in Jacksonville. 869 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:49,200 We don't have anything available to share with our children. 870 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,200 My kids love sit in how your friend stood up by sitting down 871 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,080 and just a general comment. 872 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:57,200 Thank you. 873 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,960 Yeah. I mean, as Mr. 874 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,400 Hurst was just saying, it's really important, right, to teach 875 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,120 local students of history, right? 876 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,800 So many of students at that time have never heard of Randolph 877 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,640 and never heard of James Lynn Johnson or maybe they have. 878 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,200 They didn't know that that they were they originated right here in Jacksonville. 879 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,680 And so, you know, having children's book, for instance, could be a way 880 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,080 to get some information out and to get it out early, too, to 881 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,600 so that, you know, that the youth can be educated and in the full truth. 882 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,360 And that's that hopefully can follow them through their education 883 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,520 or their thoughts or questions 884 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:40,640 yeah. 885 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,160 This is one of my students and my civil rights was it got. 886 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:46,080 Just kind of a 887 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,840 direct inverse of that kind of interest. 888 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:55,680 So the parents I grew up in Virginia and they had a lot of history in it and 889 00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,800 really, like I told our professor 890 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,160 about this, that our experience with race is that for the first time 891 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:10,320 I was in front of me driving it there for three, three or four years ago, 892 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,640 and I still stay there, but it's just 893 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,880 what you said about the schools not teaching about all this stuff. 894 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,040 You know, really, it's just so it's just, you know, 895 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,560 I was like a little kid. 896 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,600 You think history would be easier? 897 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,400 I told you yesterday that, you know, I'm a Native American 898 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:37,200 and they don't tell the kids that sometimes the Native Americans 899 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,040 were the first ones to be on America, that the Englishmen 900 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,160 conquered their lands and stuff and they put them in slaves. 901 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,880 And really, whenever my mama tells me that she gets frustrated 902 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,400 that that's what we are. 903 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,360 Virginia, you're from the northern side, right? 904 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,000 From Alexandria, you born in Fairfax? 905 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,440 I was born here in Washington, D.C. 906 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,960 And even you're going to being even the football team. 907 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,200 And it's Maryland. 908 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,640 They call them the Redskins. 909 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,240 And you know how they changed some of the names in Northern Virginia. 910 00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:17,560 Like there used to be a high school there because I went to high school, 911 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,240 there was a high school called Robert Lee High School. 912 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,680 My cousin graduated there and you know how that turned out? 913 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,800 Just like the Redskins, they changed name. 914 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:33,720 So like I had to experience racism in a major way. 915 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,960 During the 20, 20 years my last 916 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,160 last year as a high score and I was pretty high. 917 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:46,280 But the one biggest problem was the environment that really it was not 918 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,400 it was it was just really uncomfortable. 919 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:50,600 I remember talking 920 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:52,080 about it. 921 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,840 It was a very uncomfortable time. 922 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,320 And I 923 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,760 also am kind of religious, but really it's kind of 924 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,480 also like I view religion in two ways. 925 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,200 Right? 926 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,200 Really where I don't I don't like the fact 927 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,400 that religion or anything, but I don't like a religion where they fought. 928 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,000 They forced you like they stick it in your in your mouth and stuff 929 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,680 and it feels like I can't discriminate discriminated from the Church of God 930 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,160 because they said that if you don't believe in God or Jesus, 931 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,960 you're going to have a light and you're going to have and I remember 932 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,520 I had to deal with an incident where the boy was racist 933 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,640 and there was a lot of a lot of stuff 934 00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:37,800 that I have a feeling about. And 935 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,560 he actually, you know, 936 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,160 it was just the area that's around it was just kind of bad 937 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,440 from there. 938 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,200 I remember talking to a youth leader 939 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,440 and I realized that the problem with part of my high school, part of 940 00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:59,480 it was that when almost like all 941 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,760 percent white, I think it was like 80 or 90% of the school 942 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,320 or Republicans, a lot of people were Trump Trump supporters. 943 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,680 And it was just like an uncomfortable feeling. 944 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,920 I would see Trump racks like super me 945 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,280 like on the back of their case at one of every, every time I would see 946 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,280 the American way when it's like American flag day, 947 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,520 they would always wear Trump flags and stuff. 948 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,600 And I got very it was very uncomfortable sometimes. 949 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,880 And then when you want it to happen, that's when things got even worse. 950 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,320 And even even going in a church, was it not fun anymore? 951 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,400 Because I was because the church I was at was a bunch of Trump 952 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,640 supporters like a lot of it's a lot of sweat stuff. 953 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,640 And I remember trying to talk to some religious leader, 954 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,240 and I kind of don't see the church the way I used to see them. 955 00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:55,400 I used to but not anymore because this stuff that they say is just kind of wrong. 956 00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:00,560 And I felt discriminated by because they said that if I walked out of church, 957 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,760 you know, I'm not going to have a good life 958 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,000 and stuff and stuff like that. 959 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,720 So what happens is that I was telling the youth leader about 960 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:11,840 how I just 961 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,560 didn't like how, you know, I didn't I'm like how 962 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,920 the racist chant treated me and stuff because I was volunteering 963 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,120 for the high school. 964 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,800 So what the youth leader said, he told me, 965 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,120 why don't you just ignore the racists? 966 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,640 Why don't you just ignore them? 967 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:28,560 I'm all right. 968 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,480 Why? Why why would you say it's wrong? 969 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,880 I have a lot of stuff, and I won't take so much of your time. 970 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,680 But, you know, it was just 971 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,040 like living in an area like part of it's kind of uncomfortable. 972 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:46,080 Like I'm planning to transfer because I got a lot of reasons for it 973 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,840 because, like, it's just because I got a voice 974 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,320 and stuff in my head, and I want to, like, nature and stuff, right? 975 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,440 I want to take when I graduate. 976 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:56,840 So, like, it's just. 977 00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:58,200 It's just 978 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,280 it's just sad that I live in a neighborhood 979 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,040 where it's just, you know, it's much more of 980 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:05,440 those. 981 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,000 Are real experiences and and 982 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,600 and they are valid experiences. 983 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,080 Not that it 984 00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:17,080 history happened to be true when they first build upon the media. 985 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,720 They did not allow Jews. To live in poverty. 986 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,960 Let alone blacks and anyone else. 987 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,160 But I'm always fascinated with how 988 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,080 we have made in the history of this country. 989 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,680 The. Indigenous people who were here, who were good 990 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,960 stewards of the flora and fauna 991 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,800 and when Christopher Columbus landed on his 992 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:50,720 you never landed in the continental United States and landed on Hispanola. 993 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,760 He encountered the tejanos our 994 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,160 indigenous people, 995 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,400 300,000 on the island of Hispaniola, 996 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,120 peace loving. 997 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,840 They didn't even have weapons 998 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,200 because Columbus 999 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,200 and his men, with their weapons and their armored 1000 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,360 gear, as soldiers immediately 1001 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:19,080 start to enslave the Indians, 1002 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,720 Tejanos native indigenous people 1003 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,200 sending young girls back to Italy and Spain 1004 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,400 as sex slaves in 50 years, 1005 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,120 the 300,000 tejanos on Hispanola 1006 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,440 had been eviscerated 1007 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,320 they'd been wiped off the face of the earth. 1008 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,480 Some committed suicide. 1009 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,520 Christopher Columbus men and and those that came after him 1010 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,000 took them slaves 1011 00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,920 Christopher Columbus was the first slave trader 1012 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,840 in this hemisphere. 1013 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,680 And this San Diego was the first slave trade 1014 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,280 or of Africans flesh 1015 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,920 thank you for your comments. 1016 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:08,880 Thank you for sharing those. 1017 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,800 I just wanted to say, Dr. 1018 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,520 Hirsch, thank you for your donation of your papers. 1019 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,560 To the Carpenter Library, 1020 00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:21,680 that one of the things we talked about in our and in our classes is that 1021 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,640 archives and libraries are racial battlefields. 1022 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,160 And archives can be used as as weapons. 1023 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,120 They can be used as weapons of oppression. 1024 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:37,040 But they can also be used as as weapons against oppression. 1025 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:42,320 And the the Earth, the white collection, the Bible, the news collection, 1026 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,240 your papers all contribute to those 1027 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,920 what what you and I have in our in our arsenal moving forward. 1028 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,760 And you spoke movingly at the beginning of our discussion today 1029 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:59,360 about how you and that was founded as a as a white suburban school. 1030 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,840 And I think that the the the use of these papers 1031 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,720 and the Carpenter Library Archives are 1032 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,040 a way to 1033 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,800 especially when 1034 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:18,040 institutions have become symbols of oppression that the archives 1035 01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:22,600 and these new collections of your collection can be powerful symbols 1036 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:24,800 against that 1037 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,880 oppression specifically because of our history. 1038 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,040 So thank you. 1039 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:30,000 Thank you. 1040 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,960 So you're bringing us back to that question of what activism looks like. 1041 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,280 I think 1042 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,880 and obviously it's for the time that we have left 1043 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,960 if people have questions or comments, I think it should be an open conversation. 1044 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:45,920 I wanted to know. More about. 1045 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,160 So what their closed door society and what was it sing for? 1046 01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:51,320 What was it like to. 1047 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,560 Lift every voice and sing for? 1048 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,840 Yeah, tell me more about that. 1049 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,320 Well, I mean, 1050 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,960 put me on the spot. 1051 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,480 Well, honestly, 1052 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,520 it's supposed to be kind of next to another project 1053 01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,160 that's happening here in Jacksonville, the Emerald Trail, 1054 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,320 and it's going to be kind of a really great spot because people 1055 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:19,520 will be able to bike over there and stop by the park and relax for a bit. 1056 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:21,600 Yeah. 1057 01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:22,680 I mean, I 1058 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,440 like I said, I wish I could show photos because we have it really started building 1059 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:27,360 anything quite yet. 1060 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,760 We're supposed to be starting the actual building 1061 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,000 process in the summer of this year. 1062 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,360 But yeah. 1063 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:38,280 Great. 1064 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,920 I know I can share a little bit about that. 1065 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,280 I had an opportunity to work with 1066 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,080 DuPont, DuPont, find 1067 01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,400 Walter Hood last year, as well 1068 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,240 as Lloyd Washington to helping shape that space. 1069 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,080 So it's going to have a Lift It lawn, 1070 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,120 which is basically an interpretation of the song 1071 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,360 there's going to be 1072 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,240 a shotgun house relocated to that site, 1073 01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,080 and that shotgun house is going to be designed 1074 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,280 to basically serve as a stage that could be used 1075 01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:22,040 for outdoor performances and various types of events 1076 01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,840 on the west side of the park is going to be an artist walk 1077 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,800 that will tell the history of the Johnson brothers, their family 1078 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,760 as well, as other individuals within the villa. 1079 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,400 And it's going to be adjacent, as mentioned, 1080 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,840 to the animal trail, which is now under construct 1081 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,200 and they both will be surrounded 1082 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:51,960 by about a hundred units of 100 townhome units 1083 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,040 that are being designed to pay homage 1084 01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,880 to the type of housing stock 1085 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,080 that was located in that area of LA Villa. 1086 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,560 And that housing stock does have Afrocentric 1087 01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,040 ties and 1088 01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,400 legacies 1089 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,520 that came through the transatlantic slave 1090 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,560 trade into the US and to Jacksonville that became a part of the villa. 1091 01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:23,680 So it's really a space that can be a central gathering space 1092 01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:28,400 as an effort to redevelop in the community takes place. 1093 01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,960 Now, I think it's going to be important for the city of Jacksonville 1094 01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,760 and the Downtown Investment Authority 1095 01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,360 to work with the community. 1096 01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,640 I know a lot of people like to say the villa doesn't 1097 01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,320 exist anymore, but that is technically incorrect. 1098 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:44,760 Just because you 1099 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,000 eliminate domain peoples places 1100 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,280 and demolish sites doesn't mean those sites don't have cultural heritage 1101 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,000 and the people are still in that community. 1102 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,680 At the. 1103 01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,560 And one of the things about 1104 01:03:58,680 --> 01:03:59,640 James William Johns 1105 01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,400 and just to show how we are conditioned not to understand, 1106 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,600 three of the greatest native sons of Jacksonville 1107 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,720 James Weldon Johnson, Philip Randolph, Bob Gates, 1108 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,720 they put Jacksonville on the map in so many ways. 1109 01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:21,040 James Weldon Johnson was the first black to be licensed as a lawyer in this state. 1110 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,800 He was one of the leaders of the Harlem Renaissance. 1111 01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,840 Of course, he wrote Lift Every Voice and saying here in Jacksonville 1112 01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,920 on the campus of of of a Baptist institutional church, 1113 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:37,080 he led the NAACP, just a great person, Philip 1114 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:42,320 Randolph was born in Crescent City and moved to Jacksonville when he was two, 1115 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:48,480 graduated from Cookman Institute, which later merged with Mary McLeod 1116 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,360 Bethune School for Girls, and thus the name Bethune-Cookman. 1117 01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,880 But he challenged three different presidents 1118 01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,280 to integrate the federal workforce, to integrate 1119 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,760 the military, to integrate 1120 01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,000 public accommodations and provide jobs for black folk. 1121 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,720 And Bob Hayes, not only one, 1122 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,800 graduated from Matthew Gilbert on the East Side, 1123 01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,080 won two gold medals in the 1964 1124 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,560 Olympics in Tokyo, Japan, both in world record time, 1125 01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:26,080 getting the baton in the form of meter relay and next to land last place 1126 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:28,960 is given credit for running 1127 01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,600 the fastest anchor leg in the history of the Summer Olympics. 1128 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,640 Drafted by the Cowboys 1129 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,680 as a wide receiver running back, he eventually became a wide receiver 1130 01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:44,680 and because of his speed, the NFL had to change from man to man 1131 01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,800 defense to Islam defense because of Bob Gates. 1132 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,320 We know very little about these great native sons, 1133 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,720 and that's part of the problem. 1134 01:05:55,880 --> 01:06:00,040 When we don't acknowledge the contributions by folks 1135 01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,640 who made those contributions in spite of how big history 1136 01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,160 wants to include them 1137 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,120 all we got to tell troops 1138 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:14,040 right? 1139 01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,160 And it's to to really 1140 01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,480 resist and revise this more sanitized narrative. 1141 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:21,240 Right. 1142 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,960 And to really think about the radicalism of our local black leaders. 1143 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:26,280 Right. 1144 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,480 Like Adrian Randolph Borges and Angela Johnson and yourself. 1145 01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:31,320 Right. 1146 01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,120 That we need to really center local activism, 1147 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,240 which is the exact reason why I wanted to create this panel with Susan 1148 01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:44,080 Rice to really share this with you enough 1149 01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:48,640 and the importance of sharing that with with local black students as well. 1150 01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:53,640 And to to acknowledge the fact that a lot of this isn't just about the street. 1151 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,480 This is also our presence right there, saying that there's much more work 1152 01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:58,120 to be done. 1153 01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,080 And it is inspiring to hear what's going on. 1154 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,640 But obviously, if anyone has questions and wants to know 1155 01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,560 more, wants to be involved or as ideas, 1156 01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,920 this is this is an opportunity for talking about that as well. 1157 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,680 And that is that Jamison is the new director 1158 01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:18,360 of the Institute of Diversity, the. 1159 01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,920 Study of race and ethnic. Whatever in his last 1160 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,520 and obviously there are a 1161 01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:29,840 number of things that that he is doing and will do 1162 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,520 for the universe. 1163 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,720 You don't always have to do the big thing. 1164 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,080 You don't have to march. 1165 01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:38,880 You don't have to sit in. 1166 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,920 You don't have to walk the picket line. 1167 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:42,960 But you can do the small things. 1168 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,960 I have a friend who's a Quaker, a white female, 1169 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,200 who decided years ago 1170 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,720 that she would stop drinking Coca Cola products 1171 01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,960 because Coca Cola supported 1172 01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,960 the apartheid regime of South Africa 1173 01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:04,360 and she stopped eating table grapes because the support for Cesar Chavez. 1174 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:09,640 There are a number of small things that we can do individually 1175 01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:16,360 to show that we are part of action and we are doing something. 1176 01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:21,200 Doing nothing for me as a black person is never an option 1177 01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,720 every day I am fighting racism. 1178 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,360 I cannot stand to sit on the sidelines 1179 01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,640 and be a bystander. 1180 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:36,200 My training has not allowed me the the impact that Mr. 1181 01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:40,720 Pearson had on me at age 11 in 1955, 1182 01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,800 67 years ago 1183 01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,080 has said that 1184 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,280 you do something every day no matter what it is. 1185 01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:50,440 But that's me. 1186 01:08:50,440 --> 01:08:52,880 That's a commitment that I have made. 1187 01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,920 No one else has to do the same things. 1188 01:08:55,920 --> 01:09:01,040 I do it the way I do it, but do something unless you want things to remain 1189 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,440 as they are here in this country. 1190 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,040 I really appreciate that. 1191 01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:07,280 Comments 1192 01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:08,160 pointing out the fact 1193 01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:12,440 that activism is about our actions and that they don't have to be grandiose. 1194 01:09:12,440 --> 01:09:13,760 They can be 1195 01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,320 they can be interpersonal. 1196 01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:17,240 Yes, they can be. 1197 01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,520 Those conversations that we need to have more of 1198 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:22,720 do we have any other 1199 01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,880 questions or questions from the chat? 1200 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,040 Nothing from the chat, but I have a 1201 01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,600 I'm trying to figure out good phrasing for my question is, 1202 01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,080 as far as those come from, 1203 01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,720 there's been instances where you have communities 1204 01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:43,200 that are kind of resistant to change and resistant to 1205 01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,000 like the community 1206 01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:48,680 that you mentioned, 1207 01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:53,360 where pretty much how do you start constructive conversations with a group 1208 01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:58,000 that is opposed to progress, like how do you even get there? 1209 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:03,800 Because in a sense, like they respond, they entrench even more 1210 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:09,440 sometimes when you have marches, but how do you get a dialog going? 1211 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,400 How have you seen if you've seen progress, 1212 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,120 how do you make progress with groups that are actively resisting? 1213 01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,520 I have two philosophies, and I start off 1214 01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:23,560 by understanding this, saying, 1215 01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,080 When you are accustomed to privilege, 1216 01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:31,120 equality is like oppression. 1217 01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:34,800 Sometimes you have to leave 1218 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,160 people where you find them. 1219 01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,120 Sometimes 1220 01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,640 all you're doing is tilting at windmills. 1221 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,040 Sometimes you decide, I'm not going to waste my effort 1222 01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,880 talking to racist white folk 1223 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,160 who don't want to change 1224 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,120 but sometimes you meet someone 1225 01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,640 who has let you know 1226 01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:02,720 that they want to talk a little bit 1227 01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,840 more about some of the things that you are talking about. 1228 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,160 So you invest some time in them 1229 01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,320 or you refer them to someone 1230 01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,080 who can talk their language 1231 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:20,520 in terms of interesting, interesting, interesting language. 1232 01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,080 And they look like them. 1233 01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,800 They are white folk in this community who can talk that talk 1234 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,160 and walk that walk too. 1235 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:31,640 And sometimes they are the allies that you need 1236 01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,920 to help other white folk who aren't going to listen to me. 1237 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,720 So you devise a strategy. 1238 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:43,080 You understand who your allies are if you want to make the change 1239 01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:44,960 and who you can talk to. 1240 01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:50,320 And don't be afraid of a reticent to enlist help 1241 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,400 to help you fight that battle because it is a battle 1242 01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,320 and it's battle electrified every day if you want to fight it 1243 01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:02,120 thank you. 1244 01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,320 And it's important as well. 1245 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,560 You know, as a historian, it's always important to go back to the 1246 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:09,600 evidence right. 1247 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,360 And this is a conversation that was coming up 1248 01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:16,400 last year with the debates about some of the schools 1249 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,680 that were named after Confederate leaders. Right. 1250 01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:22,280 There was strong opposition to renaming those schools. 1251 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:27,680 And, you know, it's important to look at the evidence, hard to look at the words 1252 01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:32,160 and writings of folks like Robert Easley or Jefferson Davis and to say, OK, 1253 01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,320 this is clearly racist and limited language. 1254 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:36,600 Right. 1255 01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:41,320 And this is the interpretation that we can then base off of that evidence. 1256 01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,720 And so when engagement is about conversations, 1257 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:46,160 you know, 1258 01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:51,280 sometimes it's good to just sit down and look at the facts, right. 1259 01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,840 Of what you're talking about 1260 01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,400 and just say, okay, how are we interpreting this differently? 1261 01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,520 And let's now come on the same page about that so 1262 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,600 as a historian, that that's my answer 1263 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,160 to that question. 1264 01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:12,120 Any other questions? 1265 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,480 So sometimes I feel like in terms 1266 01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:19,200 of like learning history, outside of like primary, like high school, 1267 01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,560 like if you want to learn history, like go to a museum. 1268 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,080 But usually, like if you go to like the comer or bus you don't really get like 1269 01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,440 a lot of black history per se until it's like this month. 1270 01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:29,960 Right. 1271 01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,480 So I was wondering like what are more like places in Jacksonville 1272 01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,040 that you guys know? Oh, yeah, 1273 01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:37,640 historically. 1274 01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,440 And there are there are plenty. 1275 01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:44,960 Dr. Beasley was talking about the Resilience Project in Saint Augustine 1276 01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,560 the Lincoln Bill Museum there. 1277 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,640 The Course Civil Rights Museum is there. 1278 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,720 We have the Ritz Theater Museum here in Jacksonville. 1279 01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:57,640 And all of these the Freedom Trail, which can take you to different sites. 1280 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,840 It's a nice trail and a literal trail 1281 01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,200 that you would stop at the various sites that 1282 01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:05,400 others 1283 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,000 I mean, even just around 1284 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,560 Jacksonville, there's different little plaques, like where 1285 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,680 at Paxton High School, there's a plaque dedicated to Bessie Coleman 1286 01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,960 because that's where her plane crashed. 1287 01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:24,040 And there's also a plaque outside of just multiple different places, 1288 01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,960 Turkey, has like a huge billboard that we have 1289 01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,960 that kind of has the different places that we have around 1290 01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,760 mainly the north side of Jacksonville, so yeah. 1291 01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:36,960 There is 1292 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,320 an African-American history 1293 01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,120 that was developed through 1294 01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,440 civil rights history, that was developed through a task force 1295 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:54,600 citizens task force that was appointed by the president of the council. 1296 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:59,440 And it was an honor for me to serve on that task force. 1297 01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:01,920 And we came up with 1298 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:06,240 a history, a civil rights history, and a black history that starts 1299 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,560 in Jacksonville that starts in 1838, 1300 01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,080 which with the founding of that four Baptist institutional church. 1301 01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,520 And we identified in a timeline 1302 01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:21,360 all of the salient dates 1303 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:25,960 available, I mean dates of history of blacks 1304 01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:30,560 in, in, in Jacksonville, in Duval County. 1305 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:35,560 And that is what 160 years 1306 01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:40,240 of information just from that. 1307 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,480 So there is quite a bit of information there. 1308 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,360 The problem is there is no clearinghouse 1309 01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,680 for a lot of that information. 1310 01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,680 Hopefully one day we'll have a civil 1311 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,920 rights museum here in Jacksonville. 1312 01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:03,000 Hopefully that the University of North Florida might even decide 1313 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:08,640 to have a civil rights clearinghouse here maybe a Dr. 1314 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,600 Rudy Jamison in his institute will develop 1315 01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,720 something that students can come to 1316 01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,240 and develop from that 1317 01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,440 where they can go and study and get information 1318 01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:26,240 because there are a number of resources available 1319 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:29,400 to get that information. 1320 01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:34,120 So it's it's a work in progress and which is an excellent point 1321 01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,560 on your part, because there should be something there. 1322 01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,040 So maybe some of the persons who are listening 1323 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,440 to this presentation at the university 1324 01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:48,760 and other universities and some of the faculty members here 1325 01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:53,160 will internalize that and decide to do something about it. 1326 01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:57,400 So we have the comments online. 1327 01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,240 Oh, that was actually me just clearing the room for more questions. 1328 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:02,640 I think 1329 01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:06,640 the other questions. 1330 01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:08,600 Yeah, Savannah, 1331 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,240 I guess this is more of just a general comment 1332 01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:15,240 but you're talking about the importance 1333 01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:20,160 of having difficult conversations and competition in the realm of education 1334 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,080 is something that I come to recognize how valuable that is. 1335 01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,280 But thoughts as a 21 year old college student 1336 01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,760 recognizing this from my classes, I'm teaching. 1337 01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:34,560 And. It just kind of makes me wonder where you began with that. 1338 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,440 Because when I think of the classes that I'm taking, I'm 1339 01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:42,120 taking specific classes that my other peers might not be taking. 1340 01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,880 So that it's only a very limited amount of students 1341 01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,560 that are deejaying with these kind of conversations. 1342 01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:53,960 And so it stresses to me the importance of having these conversations 1343 01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:57,800 and take responsibility, which as Moses was talking about, 1344 01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:02,160 was something that was seemed to thrive in his experience. 1345 01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:04,920 And I can say as someone who 1346 01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:09,200 went to high school, it was also something that I didn't interact with. 1347 01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,720 So just kind of thinking about that I think is 1348 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,080 really interesting, but also very difficult to see. 1349 01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,240 How can we start those conversations? 1350 01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:22,280 Because not only is it the schools, but it's also the educators, 1351 01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:27,280 the teachers who are in there and how are they being know in college. 1352 01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:31,320 So it just seems like this big lab and you know, where do we get. 1353 01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,480 That first step, 1354 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:39,720 you as me, 1355 01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,800 in raising the issue that these difficult 1356 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,480 and uncomfortable subjects 1357 01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,560 we must have 1358 01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:52,520 and we can't be afraid 1359 01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:55,120 we have to leave our fragile 1360 01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,680 egos at the door 1361 01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,000 and we have to come into these meetings 1362 01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,240 these conversations willing to be honest 1363 01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,640 and willing to 1364 01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,960 to allow the raw feelings to be there. 1365 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,440 When we're not angry afterwards 1366 01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:26,760 in the hands of very skilled persons who would do that. 1367 01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:33,120 And and again, I should be the business manager for Dr. 1368 01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,200 Jamison and Dr. 1369 01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,200 Janson, because they do such a skilled job 1370 01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,040 in getting people to talk about 1371 01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:46,080 some uncomfortable subjects, but not make those uncomfortable subjects. 1372 01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:46,920 They're a threat. 1373 01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:50,600 They do it inside the university, they do it in the community, 1374 01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,840 and they do a good job at that. 1375 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,880 But we've got to make a commitment that 1376 01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,600 if we're going to make a difference now, 1377 01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,480 if we want things to continue as they are, then we do not. 1378 01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:06,240 What if, as you say, how do we start 1379 01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,680 and engage in some of these difficult conversations? 1380 01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,000 We can start right here 1381 01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:15,240 at the university. 1382 01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,520 I was telling a couple of persons in 1383 01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,920 when the university first opened in 1972, there was a Dr. 1384 01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,160 Peter Krantz 1385 01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,840 he taught a class called conflict 1386 01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,200 black and white, 1387 01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,200 and and he started off the first day telling the students, 1388 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,240 you all have an A in the class right now. 1389 01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,960 But to get better, 1390 01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,560 if you are white, 1391 01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,280 you have to live with the black family for a week. 1392 01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,440 If you're black you have to live 1393 01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:51,920 with the white families for a week, not visit 1394 01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:55,640 and then leave at four or five going to home. 1395 01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,400 You've got to live, you've got to watch dishes and cook 1396 01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,280 and walk the dog and help do the laundry. 1397 01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:06,440 You have to live with them so if you're living with them, you're 1398 01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:08,080 having those conversations. 1399 01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,160 So he put those two 1400 01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,520 cultures together in a home setting. 1401 01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,240 To allow black folk and white folk to talk 1402 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,800 and see each other's point of view based on where you came from. 1403 01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,720 My wife, who was a student 1404 01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:27,360 of Dr. 1405 01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,960 Krantz, stayed with one of the 1406 01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:32,960 members of the faculty 1407 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,960 at the University of Florida for a week. 1408 01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,080 I had my wife and I had seven students 1409 01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:42,120 and Peter Krantz, 1410 01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,560 they ran saves the more difficult students for uni. 1411 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,640 But they were interesting conversations 1412 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,560 because it was a learning process for many of those students. 1413 01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,680 And I think that's how we have to approach that 1414 01:21:56,640 --> 01:22:00,680 because many of you, you all are the problem solvers. 1415 01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,200 Of tomorrow. 1416 01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,680 And if you don't do anything today to understand some of those problems, 1417 01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:07,360 you have to solve them. 1418 01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:11,360 We're going to be we're going to we're going to continue to go down this road 1419 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,280 that we're going down right now. 1420 01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,680 So I appreciate your comments. 1421 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:24,840 You have any other questions for our panel? 1422 01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:26,920 Great. 1423 01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:28,520 For more 1424 01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:32,880 it's just really, 1425 01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:36,920 really you know, I remember I went on a week to high school was my 1426 01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:41,440 high school transcript at the same time, there was just this dark edge 1427 01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,640 through the high school, which was the exposure of 1428 01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,560 the experience that I had with a racist character. 1429 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,680 Well, you know, I'm kind of civil. 1430 01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:56,600 This ability that can also have this ability to look is issue was anger. 1431 01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,960 And, you know, isn't is anger corrupts. 1432 01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:05,880 And I wanted to I was like volunteer just volunteering for this school 1433 01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,800 and just, you know, it was just a lot of stuff 1434 01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,000 that was just weird, was kind of like he kept 1435 01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,520 having Confederate flags in the back of the truck. 1436 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:16,400 And I 1437 01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:18,240 there were 1438 01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,920 there were a lot of uncomfortable times where at one time, you know, 1439 01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,240 my the school I went to, we almost got locked lockdown and 1440 01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,320 you kind of lied about two black guys 1441 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,880 were trying to shoot him and stuff and extremists. 1442 01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,440 But there was obviously no none of that. 1443 01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:37,880 I was kind of wild to me. 1444 01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,120 And then afterwards, what happened was, was that he was telling 1445 01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,520 his other friend, he's all right, hey, do you want a Confederate flag? 1446 01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:49,160 And he was all like, OK, yeah, and I'm all white right here saying that. 1447 01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:50,520 Oh, no, I don't I don't want to carry. 1448 01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,680 And he was always saying, you know, I'm not talking to you. 1449 01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:57,120 So there were a lot of days that were very rare, but then a real final 1450 01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,600 nail in the coffin was I was just trying to joke around with him all the time 1451 01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,400 that he was when he got super angry 1452 01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,040 with me, it was something to deal with 1453 01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,240 because he was dealing with some relationship stuff. 1454 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,600 And I didn't know what he said. 1455 01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,280 But then his other friend told me that he called me and to me 1456 01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:20,760 and I got very you know, I was all like, OK. 1457 01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:24,480 And he even told me that he didn't he never liked me working there. 1458 01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:25,720 He never, never did. 1459 01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,360 He never liked me. 1460 01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:27,880 And, you know, 1461 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,880 and he was telling me all this stuff, saying that he doesn't like 1462 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,360 when black people work. 1463 01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,200 And I was like, oh, that's 1464 01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,320 what did you just did you what did you just say to me? 1465 01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:38,840 And so I 1466 01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,280 yeah, just a lot of a lot of stuff that was just awful. 1467 01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:44,120 And I realized that 1468 01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:48,280 I was living in a neighborhood even when I was because I used to live in 1469 01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:52,000 these guys went to because I went to a lot of high schools. 1470 01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:56,400 And they even told me oh, don't move to family and stuff. 1471 01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:57,640 And I didn't get it at the time. 1472 01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,080 But then I realized why why they told me that and stuff 1473 01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:06,480 and like that, you know, it was just he also like he wasn't just racist me. 1474 01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:11,720 He was racist a few other people and had gotten to a point where he got kicked out. 1475 01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:11,920 Right. 1476 01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:16,520 He actually I told Professor Forrest about this, but he actually 1477 01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:19,040 it was suspended or something. 1478 01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:23,040 And then what happened was, is that he actually had he 1479 01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:25,440 like it wasn't confirmed 1480 01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:29,360 or not, but like he had some weapons in his home. 1481 01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,680 And I was 1482 01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:36,800 literally scared to go to my house one time because he got suspended 1483 01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:41,440 and he got so angry about it that he started cursing everyone. 1484 01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,760 And you know, what happened was, is that 1485 01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,360 he threatened to kill my English teacher. 1486 01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:51,040 And it really I really got scared of. Why? 1487 01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,840 Because he actually one time 1488 01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,680 occasionally like one time like he actually like 1489 01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,800 or some semi terrorist reason. 1490 01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:02,720 He actually he I actually saw him in my neighborhood and I was like 1491 01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:06,360 when he tried to threaten to kill my university, I was scared to 1492 01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:11,080 go to my apartment because I was scared of getting shot with my in my apartment. 1493 01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:15,320 So I you know, I really have like a lot of experiences 1494 01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:20,880 with this, especially because she knows that I am a part of the SDS 1495 01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:22,440 protests. 1496 01:26:22,440 --> 01:26:26,200 And we talk about all this stuff and our like it's just it's 1497 01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:31,680 just kind of sad, you know, you know, the area or the area in the South. 1498 01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:32,880 It's weird. 1499 01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,080 It's like, you know, people a lot of people 1500 01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:39,800 view the South as racist, but I kind of don't agree with that. 1501 01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:43,280 I do think there is kind of quote, but it's just it's just sad 1502 01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:47,520 that there are some neighborhoods like that still have a lot of racist. 1503 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,600 You hope a lot. 1504 01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:55,840 And it's great that you're involved. 1505 01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,440 And that's the fear. 1506 01:26:57,440 --> 01:27:03,760 And that has been a space for you to feel community and continue to protest. 1507 01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,120 Right. That that 1508 01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,800 that there are so many student activists 1509 01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:12,440 here on campus that work with the Jackson Action Committee and other 1510 01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:14,440 local organizations. 1511 01:27:14,440 --> 01:27:17,440 So it really is about our students. Right. 1512 01:27:17,480 --> 01:27:21,680 And about the work that they do they are already doing in the community. 1513 01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:25,920 And thank you, panelists for the work that you're doing. 1514 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:27,720 We're really grateful 1515 01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,440 that you were able to spend this time to invest this time with us today. 1516 01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:36,240 And thanks to all of you for attending and for your questions and your thoughts. 1517 01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:38,800 And as Dr. 1518 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,400 Hurst said, keep hope alive. 1519 01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,120 And it was an honor. Thank you. 1520 01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:42,560 Thank you. 1521 01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,480 Thank you so much. 1522 01:27:48,440 --> 01:27:50,280 Thank you very much to everyone who attended. 1523 01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:53,320 I'd also like to thank someone who several of you mentioned 1524 01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:54,840 here, Susan's wife and her group. 1525 01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:58,480 But this altogether, some of the people 1526 01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,440 your panelists, the two of you for hosting it as well. 1527 01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:07,680 Mark your calendars now for the next speaker series 1528 01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:09,400 that we have on March the 29th. 1529 01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:12,800 Again at 2:00 in the afternoon, women's voices, 1530 01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,280 five women and five decades. 1531 01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:17,320 And a panel of these women will share 1532 01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,760 their personal experiences at UNDP throughout the last 50 years. 1533 01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:25,360 And it will be moderated by Sheila Spivey, the associate vice president 1534 01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:29,240 for diversity and inclusion here so thank you again for coming. 1535 01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,000 Thank you to all of our panelists. 1536 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,200 And we look forward to continuing the conversation 1537 01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,560 in the variety of opportunities that we have. 1538 01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:37,520 Great. Thank you so much. Thank you.