1 00:01:32,258 --> 00:01:34,427 Ladies and gentlemen, our director, 2 00:01:34,427 --> 00:01:44,237 professor emeritus Jim Crooks. 3 00:01:44,237 --> 00:01:50,710 After that introduction, what can one say 4 00:01:51,177 --> 00:01:54,747 except good evening to 5 00:01:54,747 --> 00:01:57,150 you, as your program points out, in many 6 00:01:57,150 --> 00:02:00,153 very already know, I've been involved in this oral history project 7 00:02:00,153 --> 00:02:03,990 now for two years, interviewing faculty, staff and administrators, 8 00:02:04,724 --> 00:02:08,795 particularly people retired or people near retirement, who've played major roles 9 00:02:09,329 --> 00:02:11,965 in the university's 35 year history. 10 00:02:11,965 --> 00:02:14,868 Today that conducted 69 out of 90 interviews. 11 00:02:14,868 --> 00:02:16,870 And what I will share with you tonight 12 00:02:16,870 --> 00:02:17,670 in the history of you 13 00:02:17,670 --> 00:02:20,573 and have results from these interviews, plus a few of my own memories. 14 00:02:21,241 --> 00:02:24,544 This talk is a down payment on a longer story. 15 00:02:24,878 --> 00:02:27,113 I will be writing next year. 16 00:02:27,113 --> 00:02:30,150 From these interviews, I've divided UNF's history into three parts. 17 00:02:30,216 --> 00:02:32,485 Since it opened in 1972, 18 00:02:33,453 --> 00:02:36,723 what I call the Carpenter era under our first president, 19 00:02:37,290 --> 00:02:40,460 the middle period under Presidents Robinson, McCray 20 00:02:40,460 --> 00:02:45,098 and McTarnaghan, and largely in the 1980s and the Herbert-Hopkins era 21 00:02:45,098 --> 00:02:49,736 from 1989 onward, I will not be speaking about the Delaney era, 22 00:02:49,769 --> 00:02:53,573 not because he is not here, but because it's only really just begun. 23 00:02:54,207 --> 00:02:58,278 And in perhaps 10 or 15 years, another historian can can tell that 24 00:02:59,279 --> 00:03:05,051 on October 2nd, 1972, at 730 AM, Assistant Professor Bill Slaughter 25 00:03:05,318 --> 00:03:08,988 met his first students in a small building three classroom 26 00:03:09,355 --> 00:03:12,325 to begin a course called What Is Existentialism? 27 00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:16,129 It was an interdisciplinary combination 28 00:03:16,129 --> 00:03:18,665 of literature, philosophy and humanistic psychology. 29 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:23,703 And part of the Leonardo Da Vinci Venture studies program at this new university. 30 00:03:25,505 --> 00:03:28,374 There were 15 students in this class 31 00:03:28,641 --> 00:03:32,745 among us, a truck driver for Sears, the manager of a 7-Eleven store 32 00:03:32,745 --> 00:03:37,050 two housewives, self-described a night nurse at Baptist Hospital. 33 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:41,054 A would be Episcopal, radical Episcopal priest, self-described 34 00:03:41,454 --> 00:03:46,025 two Vietnam vets, a conscientious objector complete with dishonorable discharge. 35 00:03:46,259 --> 00:03:50,930 The man who built the boathouse, Conrad Weihnacht, was in that class, etc. 36 00:03:51,998 --> 00:03:55,235 These students were not your average run of the mill undergraduates, 37 00:03:55,635 --> 00:03:58,805 but part of the two thousand plus men and women enrolled at UNF, 38 00:03:58,805 --> 00:04:03,243 that first full quarter taught by one hundred seventeen faculty. 39 00:04:03,643 --> 00:04:05,778 The average age of the students was 31. 40 00:04:06,012 --> 00:04:10,183 The faculty, 29 faculty interviewed 41 00:04:10,850 --> 00:04:14,320 remembered them as a mature, responsible and hardworking. 42 00:04:14,854 --> 00:04:19,492 Their efforts compensated for sometimes less than optimum preparation, in part 43 00:04:19,492 --> 00:04:23,396 because so many were entering UNF after after a long absence from the classroom. 44 00:04:24,297 --> 00:04:27,267 The campus on opening day was physically unimposing, 45 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:29,802 a library administrative building. 46 00:04:29,802 --> 00:04:33,740 Now, Daniel Hall, two classroom buildings, including small science 47 00:04:33,740 --> 00:04:37,677 labs, stood almost nakedly in an open space, surrounded 48 00:04:37,677 --> 00:04:41,214 by a woodland of palmetto scrub oaks and pine trees. 49 00:04:41,881 --> 00:04:46,052 Walkways were unpaved, heavy rains had made much of the campus muddy. 50 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:48,788 Landscaping had barely begun. 51 00:04:48,788 --> 00:04:51,190 Food service came from vending machines. 52 00:04:51,557 --> 00:04:55,561 Campus wildlife included pigs, deer, turkey, armadillos, 53 00:04:55,561 --> 00:04:58,464 snakes, bear Osprey's and the occasional alligator 54 00:04:59,299 --> 00:05:03,002 in process of implementation was an imaginative village plan 55 00:05:03,002 --> 00:05:08,007 designed by Hilton Meadows for building landscaping and pave covered walkways 56 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:11,110 that would encourage students and faculty to leave their cars 57 00:05:11,110 --> 00:05:14,881 parked on the perimeter and walk to class, library and bookstore. 58 00:05:15,281 --> 00:05:17,183 But that was still to come. 59 00:05:17,183 --> 00:05:20,186 While the initial physical facilities were underwhelming, 60 00:05:20,420 --> 00:05:23,189 the people creating UNF were fairly distinguished group. 61 00:05:23,790 --> 00:05:29,162 President Tom Carpenter, tall, slim, handsome, gracious and always perfectly 62 00:05:29,162 --> 00:05:33,566 groomed, looked like he was cast in the role of university president . 63 00:05:33,566 --> 00:05:34,267 He generally was. 64 00:05:34,267 --> 00:05:38,237 The public face oversaw the building of the physical facilities 65 00:05:38,538 --> 00:05:41,607 and made the final local decisions on university issues. 66 00:05:42,308 --> 00:05:46,412 In contrast, was Vice President Roy Lassiter of ruddy complexion, 67 00:05:46,546 --> 00:05:51,217 cigar chewing cowboy boots perched on the desktop, amiable style, 68 00:05:51,217 --> 00:05:55,588 generously, generously offering to enroll the visitor in the new UNF gun club. 69 00:05:57,924 --> 00:06:01,327 While Roy may not have looked like the stereotypical academic 70 00:06:01,994 --> 00:06:05,932 behind his cracker veneer was one of the sharpest minds UNF has ever seen. 71 00:06:06,899 --> 00:06:10,136 Roy designed the academic program, established the colleges, 72 00:06:10,336 --> 00:06:13,172 wrote the bylaws, and introduced a governing system 73 00:06:13,172 --> 00:06:16,142 inclusive of all employees, including groundskeepers. 74 00:06:16,743 --> 00:06:19,445 Lassiter particularly wanted to make sure you had 75 00:06:19,445 --> 00:06:22,181 a racially integrated faculty and student population. 76 00:06:22,749 --> 00:06:26,552 One of his top aides was African-American, as were the associate dean 77 00:06:26,552 --> 00:06:28,020 of the College of Education 78 00:06:28,020 --> 00:06:30,990 and the chair of the Department of Vocational and Technical Education. 79 00:06:31,491 --> 00:06:35,161 He encouraged department chairs to hire minorities in all disciplines 80 00:06:35,428 --> 00:06:40,133 with success in music, sociology, art, primary education and business. 81 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:43,503 Sociology professor Eddie Collins remembered the early years. 82 00:06:43,970 --> 00:06:46,439 When I came here, the White. 83 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:50,009 We're were just I mean, they're very open and welcoming. 84 00:06:50,343 --> 00:06:52,078 You know, that was the thing about the university, 85 00:06:52,078 --> 00:06:53,913 and I think the university is probably impacted 86 00:06:53,913 --> 00:06:57,784 this city in terms of its racial climate more than anything that's happened 87 00:06:57,784 --> 00:06:58,985 in the last hundred years. 88 00:07:00,586 --> 00:07:05,057 I think it was because the the projected the 89 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:09,996 stance of the universe before, for example, 90 00:07:09,996 --> 00:07:12,432 I think when President Carpenter, Dr. 91 00:07:12,432 --> 00:07:16,135 Robinson and all the people who were chairs and people 92 00:07:16,769 --> 00:07:21,140 developed the the the college, I think in their plan 93 00:07:21,140 --> 00:07:25,077 was to make sure that the college was an integrated, diverse population. 94 00:07:26,245 --> 00:07:31,050 Women faculty remembered the reception somewhat differently. Dale Clifford. 95 00:07:32,819 --> 00:07:34,921 Well, that doesn't mean there wasn't sexism here. 96 00:07:35,087 --> 00:07:39,892 But, hey, I was one of five women in the College of Arts and Sciences 97 00:07:40,159 --> 00:07:44,397 I who made it all the way through an undergraduate education 98 00:07:44,397 --> 00:07:48,434 and graduate education without ever having a woman professor. 99 00:07:49,001 --> 00:07:52,271 Hmm. Not one. And I think most of us 100 00:07:52,271 --> 00:07:56,642 who got our degrees back then could say pretty close to the same thing. 101 00:07:56,909 --> 00:08:00,379 So the mere fact that there were five girls for Roy Lassiter 102 00:08:00,379 --> 00:08:03,683 to insult or five women, for 103 00:08:03,683 --> 00:08:07,753 um for for Will to suggest, ought to wear 104 00:08:07,753 --> 00:08:11,824 dresses, tells you that they were doing the right thing. 105 00:08:12,558 --> 00:08:14,360 Actually, they never did wear dresses. 106 00:08:15,795 --> 00:08:17,296 The other founding 107 00:08:17,296 --> 00:08:20,366 fathers, besides Carpenter and Lassiter were, of course, the three 108 00:08:20,366 --> 00:08:23,669 deans, Jim Parrish of the College of Business Administration, Ellis White 109 00:08:23,669 --> 00:08:27,840 in the College of Education, and Willard Ash in the College of Arts and Sciences. 110 00:08:28,441 --> 00:08:31,010 Ash looked like a distinguished academic. 111 00:08:31,310 --> 00:08:36,582 Tall, slim, well coifed silver hair, a sly smile, quiet manner, 112 00:08:36,916 --> 00:08:39,986 and a creative mind that introduced the venture studies program. 113 00:08:40,453 --> 00:08:42,722 Because UNF was an upper level university. 114 00:08:42,722 --> 00:08:46,292 Ash believe that students, many of them away from academe 115 00:08:46,292 --> 00:08:50,196 for many years, needed to pursue general education courses 116 00:08:50,196 --> 00:08:54,400 in the arts, humanities, social and natural sciences at the upper level. 117 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:56,769 In addition to their major programs. 118 00:08:56,769 --> 00:09:00,039 But UNF could not offer introductory lower division courses. 119 00:09:00,039 --> 00:09:03,910 Ash encouraged faculty to create upper level introductory courses, 120 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:08,614 which would explore interdisciplinary topics and stretch curious minds. 121 00:09:09,015 --> 00:09:13,319 Venture studies provided a unique quality to UNF during these early years. 122 00:09:13,953 --> 00:09:18,391 Meanwhile, Ellis White, a dapper veteran educator, administrator from NYU, 123 00:09:18,691 --> 00:09:21,360 began the College of Arts College of Education 124 00:09:21,661 --> 00:09:24,564 by hiring Andrew Robinson as his associate dean. 125 00:09:25,031 --> 00:09:28,234 Robinson was probably the outstanding African-American 126 00:09:28,234 --> 00:09:30,937 teacher administrator in the Duval County Public Schools 127 00:09:31,337 --> 00:09:34,073 with an education doctorate from Columbia University. 128 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,810 Together, they carefully selected a diverse faculty of mostly young men 129 00:09:37,810 --> 00:09:40,012 and women from across the country. 130 00:09:40,012 --> 00:09:44,550 Many had prior K-12 classroom experience, as well as their doctorates 131 00:09:44,550 --> 00:09:47,086 in prep to prepare future teachers on the first coast. 132 00:09:47,620 --> 00:09:51,123 In this recruiting, Robinson often visited candidates in their homes 133 00:09:51,490 --> 00:09:54,160 to meet their families and observe their lifestyles. 134 00:09:54,527 --> 00:09:58,097 White's mantra underlying the searches faculty remembered 135 00:09:58,097 --> 00:10:01,133 was I want to hire people only of goodwill 136 00:10:02,234 --> 00:10:04,303 in the College of Business Administration. 137 00:10:04,303 --> 00:10:07,573 Jim Parrish was the Alabaman par excellence. 138 00:10:08,140 --> 00:10:10,810 Hardly a class meeting or conversation 139 00:10:10,810 --> 00:10:13,179 started without a Bear Bryant football story. 140 00:10:13,813 --> 00:10:17,750 Yet Parrish was also a shrewd administrator, having taken to business 141 00:10:17,750 --> 00:10:20,920 colleges in the country through the American Assembly 142 00:10:21,220 --> 00:10:23,255 of Collegiate Schools of Business Accreditation. 143 00:10:23,823 --> 00:10:28,661 UNF's College of Business became the third a record number in record time. 144 00:10:28,694 --> 00:10:31,364 He, too, recruited chairs and faculty nationally, 145 00:10:31,597 --> 00:10:34,600 creating a collegial group who worked and partied well together. 146 00:10:35,434 --> 00:10:38,270 The emphasis during these early years was on quality teaching, 147 00:10:38,571 --> 00:10:42,975 enabling students to achieve their and their professors goals by graduation. 148 00:10:43,442 --> 00:10:47,279 As Dean Ash told me, and undoubtedly others, our students may not enter 149 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:50,483 UNF as well prepared as their counterparts at other universities. 150 00:10:50,816 --> 00:10:53,319 But when they graduate, we want them to be able to compete 151 00:10:53,319 --> 00:10:57,123 for jobs with graduates from Florida, Florida State or anywhere. 152 00:10:57,556 --> 00:11:00,359 I believe the record shows that we've accomplished that goal. 153 00:11:01,060 --> 00:11:03,529 Providing this quality education was the faculty. 154 00:11:03,829 --> 00:11:06,966 A few veteran academics, but mostly young men and women drawn 155 00:11:06,966 --> 00:11:10,036 from some of the best graduate schools across the nation . 156 00:11:10,036 --> 00:11:11,070 They came well prepared 157 00:11:11,070 --> 00:11:14,340 and with an enthusiasm to match in creating a new university. 158 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,409 Jim Mittelstadt and Tom Healy. 159 00:11:16,409 --> 00:11:17,443 Remember the curriculum 160 00:11:17,443 --> 00:11:21,313 planning efforts extending into late evenings over pizzas and beers. 161 00:11:21,847 --> 00:11:25,117 Ray Bowman, among others, was attracted by the interdisciplinary nature 162 00:11:25,117 --> 00:11:26,185 of the Natural Sciences 163 00:11:26,185 --> 00:11:29,989 program, designed by Ed Healy, Len Lipkin and Bill Caldwell. 164 00:11:29,989 --> 00:11:33,292 Like the requirements of mathematics, statistics and computer science, 165 00:11:33,292 --> 00:11:36,262 literally literacy for all majors in the department. 166 00:11:36,996 --> 00:11:39,932 The early esprit de corps among faculty was obvious. 167 00:11:40,199 --> 00:11:45,004 Part of it resulted from professors crammed elbow to elbow or neighbor 168 00:11:45,004 --> 00:11:46,005 to neighbor into 169 00:11:46,005 --> 00:11:50,609 tiny offices of building one part resulted from youthful enthusiasm 170 00:11:50,609 --> 00:11:54,180 and creating a university working together on curriculum and other committees. 171 00:11:55,014 --> 00:11:59,051 Time does not permit for reflection upon the extraordinary effort 172 00:11:59,051 --> 00:12:00,720 Andrew Farkas and his dedicated 173 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,956 staff made in creating the university library in record time. 174 00:12:04,590 --> 00:12:07,860 Lassiter's egalitarian dream, the General Assembly, did not last 175 00:12:07,860 --> 00:12:10,563 when faculty discovered the groundskeepers might take part 176 00:12:10,563 --> 00:12:12,531 in their promotion and tenure deliberations. 177 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,770 When confronted, Lassiter gracefully retreated, encouraging 178 00:12:17,770 --> 00:12:21,674 Tom Munger and others to draft a faculty association constitution. 179 00:12:22,208 --> 00:12:25,644 Another notable event in the early years was the formation of the faculty union, 180 00:12:25,911 --> 00:12:27,213 led by Steve Delu, Alan 181 00:12:27,213 --> 00:12:30,683 Tilley and others over the opposition of Carpenter and Lessiter. 182 00:12:31,350 --> 00:12:34,220 There are at least two weak links in the early university. 183 00:12:34,220 --> 00:12:37,389 Number one was inadequate funding almost from the start. 184 00:12:38,090 --> 00:12:41,227 While UNF had startup funds, the time frame was too short. 185 00:12:41,627 --> 00:12:45,931 The student body was too small to provide adequate FTE support. 186 00:12:46,365 --> 00:12:47,967 For example, the campus police 187 00:12:47,967 --> 00:12:50,970 necessarily had to be a certain size, regardless of enrollments. 188 00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:54,807 And in early years, they and other support staff took a disproportionate 189 00:12:54,807 --> 00:12:56,709 amount of university dollars. 190 00:12:56,709 --> 00:13:00,079 The state legislature was notoriously was notorious 191 00:13:00,079 --> 00:13:03,449 in underfunding higher education by national standards. 192 00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:07,153 During the early years, when the first Arab oil embargo hit, 193 00:13:07,419 --> 00:13:10,623 state revenues declined, and so did university allocations. 194 00:13:11,390 --> 00:13:15,661 Inadequate funding resulted in UNF becoming an incomplete university. 195 00:13:16,061 --> 00:13:20,466 On the academic side, there was no physics program, no foreign languages, no drama, 196 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,537 ancient history, anthropology and many other disciplines were not taught. 197 00:13:24,970 --> 00:13:30,042 The study of philosophy at the core or the heart of any university 198 00:13:30,042 --> 00:13:33,746 had one professor and no major program, and one could go on. 199 00:13:34,446 --> 00:13:38,050 As students were commuters, there was virtually no extracurricular programs 200 00:13:38,350 --> 00:13:42,121 now recognized as an integral part of any undergraduate education. 201 00:13:42,721 --> 00:13:45,457 Upper level enrollments through the first decade rarely achieve 202 00:13:45,457 --> 00:13:48,027 goals, further limiting financial support. 203 00:13:48,494 --> 00:13:51,931 Faculty hires were not matched by additional support dollars for 204 00:13:51,931 --> 00:13:56,101 professional meetings, travel or research, resulting in faculty frustration. 205 00:13:56,669 --> 00:13:59,605 Yet quality teaching continued for the students. 206 00:14:00,272 --> 00:14:03,509 Despite limited resources, individuals and small groups 207 00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:06,745 of faculty began building the university beyond the classroom. 208 00:14:07,246 --> 00:14:08,614 In the College of Business, Lowell 209 00:14:08,614 --> 00:14:11,250 Salter organized a small business development center, 210 00:14:11,617 --> 00:14:13,319 one of eight in the nation 211 00:14:13,319 --> 00:14:16,055 in the early years, while small business owners still confused 212 00:14:16,088 --> 00:14:21,060 UNF with FCCJ or JU and often could not find the campus in the woods . 213 00:14:21,060 --> 00:14:24,997 The Small Business Development Center expanded by word of mouth business owners 214 00:14:24,997 --> 00:14:29,435 who achieved profitability through UNF counseling, passed the word to associates. 215 00:14:29,702 --> 00:14:33,138 Local banks with small business loans began recommending clients 216 00:14:33,539 --> 00:14:36,542 success, spread success in the region and then beyond. 217 00:14:36,909 --> 00:14:39,211 Today, the Small Business Development Center counsels 218 00:14:39,211 --> 00:14:43,148 hundreds of small businesses each year and serves 18 Florida counties 219 00:14:43,148 --> 00:14:47,686 with satelite centers in Gainesville and Ocala. Another 220 00:14:48,854 --> 00:14:51,323 innovator in the early 70s was Betty Flinchum 221 00:14:51,323 --> 00:14:54,660 in the College of Education would come to you and have to teach health 222 00:14:54,660 --> 00:14:58,097 and physics, but also had a passion for international education. 223 00:14:58,731 --> 00:15:02,134 In the summer of 1974, she took her first of several groups 224 00:15:02,134 --> 00:15:04,370 of graduate students to England to study 225 00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:08,040 the British infant schools with their open classrooms and peer instruction. 226 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,344 In the 1980s, Flinchum and Lou Woods developed the U.S.I.A. 227 00:15:12,344 --> 00:15:15,414 affiliation with the independent Republic of Belize. 228 00:15:16,282 --> 00:15:17,216 Out of the effort came 229 00:15:17,216 --> 00:15:20,853 the master's program in education for Belize students on the UNF campus 230 00:15:21,220 --> 00:15:24,356 and in Belize, with UNF professors traveling to the Republic. 231 00:15:24,623 --> 00:15:28,360 On summer teaching assignments, Flinchum later became the first director 232 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,097 of a new Center for International Education, recruiting foreign students 233 00:15:32,097 --> 00:15:36,201 to UNF and facilitating a wide range of faculty, student research 234 00:15:36,201 --> 00:15:40,339 and study abroad programs in Europe, West Africa and Latin America. 235 00:15:41,140 --> 00:15:43,542 Meanwhile, in the College of Arts and Sciences, political science 236 00:15:43,542 --> 00:15:45,978 assistant Professor Jane Decker brought together 237 00:15:45,978 --> 00:15:49,481 students, faculty and staff to begin an ad hoc theater program 238 00:15:49,815 --> 00:15:52,117 under the auspices of the venture studies program. 239 00:15:52,551 --> 00:15:55,487 It began with Decker teaching venture courses on theater. 240 00:15:55,888 --> 00:15:56,789 There were a lot of people 241 00:15:56,789 --> 00:15:59,925 who were interested and a lot of people who were talented. 242 00:15:59,925 --> 00:16:03,462 And somehow we got the idea we would actually put on display 243 00:16:03,462 --> 00:16:07,499 and celebrate the opening of the new what was then Building nine auditorium. 244 00:16:07,866 --> 00:16:11,303 Probably remember the part about how the auditorium and Building nine wasn't ready. 245 00:16:12,137 --> 00:16:17,409 And so we did. So Tom Carpenter finally agreed to rent a big circus tent, 246 00:16:17,409 --> 00:16:21,880 which we put up in the parking lot, and that's where we could play the visit. 247 00:16:22,481 --> 00:16:26,552 The venture theater only lasted three or four years, but it created excitement 248 00:16:26,652 --> 00:16:30,656 on campus and helped to create a sense of community where little existed. 249 00:16:31,256 --> 00:16:32,491 About the same time, Decker 250 00:16:32,491 --> 00:16:35,227 also became involved in founding the Center for Local Government. 251 00:16:35,761 --> 00:16:38,731 The center did professional development training for public employees, 252 00:16:38,731 --> 00:16:42,601 as well as contracts, survey research for JEA and other agencies. 253 00:16:43,068 --> 00:16:46,105 The center's government fellows program prepared a generation 254 00:16:46,105 --> 00:16:48,540 of department and division heads at city hall. 255 00:16:49,108 --> 00:16:53,545 There were other innovations Bob Lofton founded Sawmill Slough Conservation Club 256 00:16:53,812 --> 00:16:57,282 with the support of Ray Bowman, Dave Porter and others. 257 00:16:57,549 --> 00:17:00,986 Sawmill's Slough initiated the creation of the university nature trails 258 00:17:01,353 --> 00:17:04,156 began Earth Day campus community celebrations. 259 00:17:05,791 --> 00:17:07,292 Raised, there we go, 260 00:17:07,292 --> 00:17:10,195 raised campus consciousness about the natural beauty of UNF 261 00:17:10,429 --> 00:17:12,798 and successfully challenged President McRay's efforts 262 00:17:12,798 --> 00:17:15,000 to build a nine hole golf course on the preserve. 263 00:17:16,168 --> 00:17:19,705 In 1978, the Department of Interior designated the trails 264 00:17:19,938 --> 00:17:22,841 as a national national recreational trail. 265 00:17:23,375 --> 00:17:27,546 That's despite enrollment and financial challenges confronting the fledgling UNF. 266 00:17:27,546 --> 00:17:31,650 In the 70s, student faculty and staff established a foothold 267 00:17:31,884 --> 00:17:33,886 in the Jacksonville community. 268 00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:36,455 The first phase of the university's history ended with the departure 269 00:17:36,455 --> 00:17:37,923 of the founding fathers. 270 00:17:37,923 --> 00:17:41,460 Vice President Lassiter left for Tennessee State University in 1977. 271 00:17:41,794 --> 00:17:45,297 President Carpenter became president of Memphis State University in 1980, 272 00:17:45,297 --> 00:17:51,570 and the deans White, Ash and Parrish retired in 1976, 78 and 84, respectively. 273 00:17:52,137 --> 00:17:55,574 The second phase, largely, but not entirely in the 1980s, was marked 274 00:17:55,574 --> 00:17:58,977 by what one might call administrative discontinuities. 275 00:17:59,812 --> 00:18:05,751 Three three men served as presidents or interim between the departure of Carpenter 276 00:18:06,385 --> 00:18:10,322 in 80 and the arrival of Adam Herbert in 89, 10 men with one repetition 277 00:18:10,322 --> 00:18:15,527 led academic affairs in the 19 years following the departure of Lassiter in 77. 278 00:18:15,928 --> 00:18:20,432 Prior to the appointment of David Kline in 96, the College of Arts and Sciences 279 00:18:20,432 --> 00:18:23,769 had six deans in 15 years following Ash's departure. 280 00:18:24,303 --> 00:18:27,873 Some administrators faced faculty dissent in their sometimes abrupt, 281 00:18:28,207 --> 00:18:30,542 seemingly arbitrary autocratic actions. 282 00:18:30,876 --> 00:18:34,379 Other found their jobs unrewarding due to excessive paper pushing 283 00:18:34,379 --> 00:18:38,016 and bureaucracy, inadequate funding and lack of support from above. 284 00:18:38,550 --> 00:18:41,854 Many of the more creative administrators moved on to other institutions 285 00:18:42,221 --> 00:18:45,858 where their leadership talents could be more properly used and appreciated. 286 00:18:46,658 --> 00:18:50,262 Virtually all of the 69 faculty and staff interviewed for this 287 00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:54,833 talk agree that the greatest change in UNF's 35 288 00:18:54,867 --> 00:18:58,871 year history was adding freshmen and sophomores in 1984. 289 00:18:59,371 --> 00:19:01,039 Admitting first and second year students 290 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:03,909 required the creation of the general education curriculum 291 00:19:04,243 --> 00:19:07,279 to introduce younger undergraduates to higher education. 292 00:19:07,813 --> 00:19:10,649 A faculty committee led by Len Lipkin developed 293 00:19:10,649 --> 00:19:13,785 a course of study strong in both the sciences and humanities. 294 00:19:14,219 --> 00:19:16,688 With the addition of general education and lower division, 295 00:19:17,022 --> 00:19:20,392 the College of Arts and Sciences began to assume its traditional role 296 00:19:20,659 --> 00:19:24,229 at the core of a university education, a role heretofore 297 00:19:24,229 --> 00:19:27,900 served by the more professionally oriented colleges of education and business. 298 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:32,004 Adding lower division meant adding additional faculty and adjuncts 299 00:19:32,004 --> 00:19:33,772 to teach the new students. 300 00:19:33,772 --> 00:19:37,075 The abolition of the venture studies program and the innovative advising 301 00:19:37,075 --> 00:19:41,013 system also freed faculty to teach introductory courses. The result 302 00:19:41,013 --> 00:19:44,316 added a more traditional character to this regional state university. 303 00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:47,686 These years also saw a shift in faculty priorities, 304 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,856 with greater emphasis placed on scholarship and publications. 305 00:19:51,223 --> 00:19:54,493 This change was supported by most, but not all faculty 306 00:19:54,726 --> 00:19:57,596 who recognize the importance of research in academic life. 307 00:19:58,130 --> 00:20:01,300 While the curriculum grew so too to the needs of students 308 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:05,971 for housing on campus, Darwin Coy was dean of students at the time , he remembers. 309 00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:10,842 I felt bad that for a long 310 00:20:10,842 --> 00:20:14,112 time we had nothing for young people to do on our campus. 311 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,082 It really had nothing really. 312 00:20:17,082 --> 00:20:19,351 Well, well, well, 313 00:20:20,352 --> 00:20:22,054 what to do, what to see. 314 00:20:22,054 --> 00:20:23,322 We had no theater, 315 00:20:23,322 --> 00:20:26,291 although we did have a few plays put on, you know, this kind of stuff. 316 00:20:26,725 --> 00:20:29,895 It had no real theater or no place to put a big, big play on. 317 00:20:29,895 --> 00:20:32,598 That little cubby hole we use as a theater wouldn't hold them in. 318 00:20:33,098 --> 00:20:36,268 And then we had no more athletic facility 319 00:20:36,268 --> 00:20:39,605 and more athletic teams, nothing like that, which was really going. 320 00:20:40,405 --> 00:20:43,275 We had a good place to run on campus and a nature trail. 321 00:20:43,275 --> 00:20:51,216 You walk on and run on a road that was five miles up to the bridge and back. 322 00:20:51,216 --> 00:20:54,419 Other than that I don't know, it wasn't a great, 323 00:20:54,419 --> 00:20:57,889 great place for young people to be. for awhile. 324 00:20:57,889 --> 00:21:01,660 Coy had overseen the development of the Academic Enrichment Skills Center 325 00:21:01,660 --> 00:21:04,830 of the Child Care Center for Children of Students, Staff and faculty, 326 00:21:05,130 --> 00:21:06,565 and the boathouse on the lake. 327 00:21:06,565 --> 00:21:10,902 The place for pizza, beer, weekend films and occasional rock bands. 328 00:21:11,803 --> 00:21:15,140 Coy's successor Sandy Hansford spent the next three years developing 329 00:21:15,307 --> 00:21:16,508 student housing. 330 00:21:16,508 --> 00:21:17,909 A small student life center, 331 00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:20,545 the first fraternities and sororities and the aquatic center. 332 00:21:20,946 --> 00:21:23,682 Progress was slow, however, due to limited funds. 333 00:21:24,082 --> 00:21:27,419 One of the big successes in student life resulted from hiring. 334 00:21:27,419 --> 00:21:30,589 Dusty Rhodes is baseball coach in 1986. 335 00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:33,592 Rhodes, who had been an assistant coach at the University of Florida 336 00:21:33,592 --> 00:21:36,762 and could have moved on to as head coach in many places. 337 00:21:37,095 --> 00:21:41,466 However, he chose UNF for the same reason many others had come to this university. 338 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:44,403 He saw the potential in building a baseball program 339 00:21:44,703 --> 00:21:46,371 literally from the ground up. 340 00:21:46,371 --> 00:21:50,309 The diamond had not even been laid out yet when he was hired from the beginning. 341 00:21:50,342 --> 00:21:52,944 Rhodes learned that UNF academics came first. 342 00:21:54,546 --> 00:21:56,348 When I came here, 343 00:21:57,082 --> 00:21:59,051 they basically said, look, there's no exceptions 344 00:21:59,051 --> 00:22:01,853 for athletes academically and you go to recruit. 345 00:22:02,754 --> 00:22:05,324 You've got to get a student that can play the sport. 346 00:22:06,458 --> 00:22:10,829 So for me, I thought, well, that's going to be tough because I had recruited 347 00:22:10,829 --> 00:22:13,732 to Florida and I knew that, hey, there's great players, but they're kind of stupid. 348 00:22:14,499 --> 00:22:16,902 And I didn't feel like, well, there's 349 00:22:17,369 --> 00:22:20,305 going to have to start off at a different the different way. 350 00:22:20,305 --> 00:22:22,541 You're going to have to say, well, you can't do that. 351 00:22:22,541 --> 00:22:27,079 But I found out that it was a lot easier because if I went to see a player play. 352 00:22:27,779 --> 00:22:29,948 So I ask you about the grades. 353 00:22:29,948 --> 00:22:32,317 He didn't have them. I just forgot about it. 354 00:22:32,317 --> 00:22:33,251 I went to the next guy, 355 00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:35,454 and all of a sudden I start to realize, 356 00:22:35,454 --> 00:22:38,123 hey, there are a lot of guys out here that are really smart. They can play. 357 00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:40,625 But I had to bring them on campus. 358 00:22:40,625 --> 00:22:42,728 We didn't have you know, we didn't have a stadium. 359 00:22:42,728 --> 00:22:44,896 We just had a field. I no fence around it. 360 00:22:46,331 --> 00:22:49,735 So when I bring guys on there, I'd say, look, there's going to be a stadium here 361 00:22:50,168 --> 00:22:53,772 and this is going to be built here and this is going to be built here. 362 00:22:53,772 --> 00:22:58,110 And I showed some kind of drawings that we had done in. 363 00:23:00,245 --> 00:23:02,547 Unbelievably, guys came, 364 00:23:03,782 --> 00:23:06,518 and the program, as you all know, was a remarkable success. 365 00:23:07,219 --> 00:23:09,621 You know, in the meanwhile, in the academic side, Jack's 366 00:23:09,621 --> 00:23:13,458 Jacksonville philanthropist Ira Kroger approached President Curtis McCray 367 00:23:13,458 --> 00:23:16,828 about endowing a jazz music program at the university. 368 00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:21,099 Both Gerson Yessin and Bill Prince remembered a difficult transition. 369 00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:25,604 The existing faculty and chair had no input into the program's implementation. 370 00:23:25,971 --> 00:23:27,672 The endowment matched by the state, 371 00:23:27,672 --> 00:23:31,343 generously funded jazz scholarships and jazz faculty salaries. 372 00:23:31,710 --> 00:23:35,280 Meanwhile, the classical musicians looked on, and for a few years 373 00:23:35,614 --> 00:23:38,683 there were hard feelings and low morale among the classicists. 374 00:23:39,251 --> 00:23:43,388 Conditions improved in the 1990s when Yessin successfully engaged in major 375 00:23:43,388 --> 00:23:47,259 fundraising to provide scholarships, recruit more traditional music 376 00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:49,995 students and create a reputable classical music program. 377 00:23:50,462 --> 00:23:53,932 Despite the tense beginning, the jazz program became one of the nation's finest. 378 00:23:54,299 --> 00:23:55,333 And within the department, 379 00:23:55,333 --> 00:23:58,804 students and faculty came to appreciate and respect one another. 380 00:23:59,371 --> 00:24:02,808 In 1988, UNF appointed Joan Farrell 381 00:24:02,808 --> 00:24:07,179 to establish the College of Health, a self-described aggressive woman. 382 00:24:07,612 --> 00:24:10,782 Farrell came from Virginia Commonwealth University Medical School 383 00:24:11,082 --> 00:24:14,920 as a dean with graduate degrees in Nursing and Business Administration. 384 00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:16,421 Her challenge was to 385 00:24:17,622 --> 00:24:21,493 combine and grow a small, independent existing nursing program 386 00:24:21,860 --> 00:24:23,161 with the College of Ed Division 387 00:24:23,161 --> 00:24:26,665 of Allied Health into a major health care player in Jacksonville. 388 00:24:27,332 --> 00:24:30,669 Farrell saw her task is threefold in creating the new college. 389 00:24:31,069 --> 00:24:32,304 She needed a building. 390 00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:34,973 McCray and Provost John Bardo had provided her one, 391 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,509 and the state provided bare bones funding. 392 00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:41,379 Farrell oversaw its design and construction, raising additional 393 00:24:41,379 --> 00:24:45,550 private dollars to adequately outfit classrooms labs in faculty offices. 394 00:24:46,151 --> 00:24:50,222 Secondly, secondly, she needed to develop a curriculum that included now 395 00:24:50,222 --> 00:24:54,059 our school of nursing within the college plus health care administration . 396 00:24:54,059 --> 00:24:56,761 Physical therapy, athletic training and community health. 397 00:24:57,295 --> 00:24:59,097 Not all the programs came out at once. 398 00:24:59,097 --> 00:25:02,067 Physical therapy, for example, was introduced in partnership 399 00:25:02,367 --> 00:25:05,070 with the Jacksonville area hospitals over the next decade. 400 00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:09,441 In addition, master's programs were added and more recently two doctoral programs 401 00:25:09,708 --> 00:25:12,010 in physical therapy and nursing practice. 402 00:25:12,444 --> 00:25:16,181 Ferrell's third task further developed relations with Jacksonville's 403 00:25:16,181 --> 00:25:19,651 health care community already begun by the nursing faculty. 404 00:25:20,118 --> 00:25:23,622 These efforts paid off handsomely with funding for physical, physical 405 00:25:26,191 --> 00:25:30,495 therapy, nursing professorships and the completion of the college's J. 406 00:25:30,495 --> 00:25:32,497 Brooks Brown Hall. 407 00:25:32,497 --> 00:25:36,434 The departure of President McRay in 1988, followed by interim President 408 00:25:36,434 --> 00:25:40,438 Roy McTarnaghan for a year, ended the second phase of the ongoing process 409 00:25:40,438 --> 00:25:41,873 of creating this university. 410 00:25:41,873 --> 00:25:45,176 UNF expanded over the decade with freshmen and sophomores. 411 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:48,580 New programs and new buildings, but not as much as it might have. 412 00:25:49,047 --> 00:25:52,784 Faculty and staff remember inadequate funding as a perennial problem. 413 00:25:52,984 --> 00:25:54,319 So was leadership. 414 00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:56,955 Faculty continued to teach. Well, students learned. 415 00:25:57,289 --> 00:26:00,258 But in terms of making its mark on Jacksonville and beyond, UNF 416 00:26:00,292 --> 00:26:01,993 only begun its journey. 417 00:26:01,993 --> 00:26:04,062 In my interview with Adam Herbert, I asked him about 418 00:26:04,062 --> 00:26:07,132 his first impressions of UNF when he became president. 419 00:26:08,199 --> 00:26:11,336 I had worked in the system for 10 years, 420 00:26:11,336 --> 00:26:14,506 so I had a chance to observe the campus. 421 00:26:14,639 --> 00:26:16,308 I thought that it was 422 00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:19,978 a it was a campus that had 423 00:26:19,978 --> 00:26:24,516 very clear potential for for further growth and development. 424 00:26:24,516 --> 00:26:29,354 It was regarded statewide as being sort of a sleepy institution. 425 00:26:30,889 --> 00:26:34,426 The campus was not very aggressive, 426 00:26:34,492 --> 00:26:38,196 at least that was the image that within the state 427 00:26:39,197 --> 00:26:44,035 of the university was not asking for much with regard to new resources. 428 00:26:45,136 --> 00:26:47,872 That did not have 429 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,276 it had a very small freshman class. 430 00:26:53,144 --> 00:26:55,013 Phase three of UNF's development 431 00:26:55,013 --> 00:26:58,350 began with the arrival of President Herbert in 1989. 432 00:26:58,984 --> 00:27:02,287 Herbert came to the university with a plan. He wanted to double 433 00:27:02,287 --> 00:27:06,391 enrollment over a 10 year period from about 7000 to 14000 students. 434 00:27:06,992 --> 00:27:11,162 A few. Then a few hundred freshmen entering each year would not achieve that 435 00:27:11,162 --> 00:27:15,867 goal. Further, the pool of First Coast high school graduates was not that large. 436 00:27:16,334 --> 00:27:19,270 Herbert hired Linda Lewis to lead the recruitment effort, 437 00:27:19,504 --> 00:27:22,807 canvasing the state and beyond to pay for the expansion. 438 00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:26,911 Herbert sent Tom Healy to lobby in Tallahassee to secure legislative 439 00:27:26,911 --> 00:27:29,714 funding up front for enrollment goal growth. 440 00:27:29,981 --> 00:27:33,218 Something FIU had done and UNF had never done. 441 00:27:34,285 --> 00:27:38,189 Herbert also wanted UNF to become a more traditional residential institution. 442 00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:41,993 Not to the exclusion of commuter students, but to build a reputation 443 00:27:41,993 --> 00:27:45,230 as one of the three or four most selective public universities in the state. 444 00:27:47,032 --> 00:27:51,970 Quality undergraduate education already in place was to become the key attraction. 445 00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:54,339 And of course, we heard about that earlier tonight. 446 00:27:54,906 --> 00:27:58,376 Herbert saw UNF's comparatively smaller classes providing for greater. 447 00:27:58,576 --> 00:28:00,412 Student faculty interaction 448 00:28:00,412 --> 00:28:03,381 students flourished in what he called a nurturing environment, 449 00:28:03,715 --> 00:28:06,384 something he believes large state schools lacked. 450 00:28:06,818 --> 00:28:09,621 Herbert also saw the potential for student involvement in the city 451 00:28:09,621 --> 00:28:12,924 through internships, cooperative education, service learning 452 00:28:13,191 --> 00:28:16,528 or simply participating in the cultural amenities of Jacksonville. 453 00:28:17,062 --> 00:28:20,331 For students on campus, Herbert wanted to expand athletic programs, 454 00:28:20,331 --> 00:28:22,367 starting with men's and women's basketball. 455 00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:26,271 He oversaw the construction of the arena and expanded the Robinson Center 456 00:28:26,271 --> 00:28:28,039 for Student Activities. 457 00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:29,974 The curriculum also was important. 458 00:28:29,974 --> 00:28:32,644 Herbert wanted to add languages beyond Spanish and French, 459 00:28:32,644 --> 00:28:35,313 a physics major, and developed the engineering program, 460 00:28:36,047 --> 00:28:39,150 creating the international studies program and expanding the honors programs 461 00:28:39,150 --> 00:28:40,852 also received support. 462 00:28:40,852 --> 00:28:42,654 New programs meant hiring more faculty 463 00:28:42,654 --> 00:28:44,956 and finding more dollars for faculty research. 464 00:28:45,857 --> 00:28:49,527 A third thrust was brick and mortar, the Arena Student Housing 465 00:28:49,828 --> 00:28:53,231 University Center College, Coggin College of Business. 466 00:28:53,598 --> 00:28:55,967 He began to plan the expansion of the College of Health. 467 00:28:56,334 --> 00:29:00,338 Carpenter Library to build the Lazara Fine Arts Building and the engineering 468 00:29:00,338 --> 00:29:01,606 physics building. 469 00:29:01,606 --> 00:29:05,610 When Herbert arrived on campus, he remembered there were no UNF items 470 00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:10,915 on the public educational capital outlay list, the state list for buildings. 471 00:29:11,616 --> 00:29:14,419 He wanted to make sure that there were enough projects 472 00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:18,089 that never again would UNF not have some construction underway 473 00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:20,492 , knowing that the state no longer 474 00:29:20,492 --> 00:29:23,962 fully funded its public universities, Herbert turned to the private sector. 475 00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:26,097 Fred Shultz, remember Chancellor 476 00:29:26,097 --> 00:29:29,601 Charlie Reed asking him to introduce the new president around Jacksonville. 477 00:29:29,934 --> 00:29:31,669 Schultz took Herbert to the river club 478 00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:34,472 for lunch and introduced him to the power brokers of Jacksonville. 479 00:29:34,973 --> 00:29:37,709 Not surprisingly, the tall, handsome, gracious Herbert, 480 00:29:38,042 --> 00:29:40,879 the first African-American president of a predominantly white 481 00:29:40,879 --> 00:29:43,882 public university in the south, made an excellent impression. 482 00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:47,752 He also became the first African-American elected chair of the Greater Jacksonville 483 00:29:47,752 --> 00:29:48,953 Chamber of Commerce. 484 00:29:48,953 --> 00:29:51,189 Another networking achievement 485 00:29:51,189 --> 00:29:54,526 with the support of Pierre Allaire, Julia Taylor and UNF Foundation, 486 00:29:54,526 --> 00:29:58,563 among others on campus, and Schultz, and Ann and David Hicks and Luther 487 00:29:58,563 --> 00:30:01,466 Coggin and Dolores Kessler and others in the community. 488 00:30:01,833 --> 00:30:03,501 Herbert persued private dollars. 489 00:30:03,501 --> 00:30:06,738 He worked with the Hicks to provide scholarships for qualified 490 00:30:06,738 --> 00:30:09,707 young people living in public housing or HabiJax homes. 491 00:30:10,074 --> 00:30:13,645 Kessler gave money for qualified Raynes High School graduates. 492 00:30:14,112 --> 00:30:17,148 Herbert's goal, not achieved during his tenure, was to endow 493 00:30:17,148 --> 00:30:20,251 each inner city high school with scholarships for deserving students. 494 00:30:21,019 --> 00:30:24,022 Finally, Herbert wanted to make UNF an intellectual and cultural 495 00:30:24,022 --> 00:30:24,789 center for the first coast. 496 00:30:25,757 --> 00:30:29,527 He introduced the presidential lecture series, bringing notables like Elie Weisel 497 00:30:29,527 --> 00:30:33,498 and Maya Angelou to campus, both to meet with students in smaller groups 498 00:30:33,798 --> 00:30:36,401 and offer public lectures free and open to the community. 499 00:30:36,801 --> 00:30:40,071 He supported Gerson Yessin's efforts to expand the classical music 500 00:30:40,071 --> 00:30:43,041 program and the continued excellence of the jazz program. 501 00:30:43,374 --> 00:30:47,278 Following his resignation as chancellor of the Florida State University system, 502 00:30:47,612 --> 00:30:50,915 he established at UNF the Florida Center for Public Policy and Leadership 503 00:30:51,316 --> 00:30:52,784 and Institute, and he hoped would 504 00:30:52,784 --> 00:30:55,753 contribute to the future development of the region and state. 505 00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:59,891 Charles Galloway worked closely with Herbert as interim vice president 506 00:30:59,891 --> 00:31:02,193 for academic affairs and remembered. 507 00:31:05,363 --> 00:31:07,098 If he if he walked into a room, 508 00:31:07,098 --> 00:31:09,901 everybody's turning that way when he spoke, everybody listened. 509 00:31:10,068 --> 00:31:14,005 There was never any small talk going around a table or anybody 510 00:31:14,005 --> 00:31:17,642 whispering anything when he was talking or he was meeting . 511 00:31:17,642 --> 00:31:20,578 He had total 100 percent presence 512 00:31:21,579 --> 00:31:23,514 and credibility. 513 00:31:23,514 --> 00:31:26,317 And he was the kind of person 514 00:31:26,718 --> 00:31:29,921 that even if you disagreed with him or you wanted to make a point, you didn't. 515 00:31:30,154 --> 00:31:33,992 He was so personally powerful, you didn't bring it up. 516 00:31:35,226 --> 00:31:38,863 Well, Herbert often appeared larger than life, working a reception 517 00:31:38,863 --> 00:31:42,567 or graduation with hugs or handshakes and small talk 518 00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:45,403 that always seemed to personalize and compliment the recipient. 519 00:31:45,870 --> 00:31:50,208 He clearly recognized UNF's progress was a team effort and gave credit 520 00:31:50,208 --> 00:31:53,678 in his oral history interviews to staff, deans, faculty and students. 521 00:31:54,512 --> 00:31:57,015 Meanwhile, in the College of Business, Earle Traynham deanship 522 00:31:57,015 --> 00:31:58,549 stood out during these years. 523 00:31:58,549 --> 00:32:02,387 Traynham came to UNF in 73 as an academic advisor, worked his way 524 00:32:02,387 --> 00:32:03,688 up the professorial ranks. 525 00:32:03,688 --> 00:32:08,359 And then Dean then became assistant, an associate dean in the mid 80s. 526 00:32:08,626 --> 00:32:12,630 In 1993, he became interim and then dean for the next 10 years. 527 00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:15,900 His soft spoken Southern demeanor belied a leader 528 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,337 who learned to raise millions of dollars to furnish the new Coggin 529 00:32:19,337 --> 00:32:22,740 College of Business Building with the latest equipment and technology. 530 00:32:23,174 --> 00:32:26,344 Traynham also successfully introduced an international business major 531 00:32:26,611 --> 00:32:29,280 over the initial objections of half his faculty. 532 00:32:29,814 --> 00:32:31,182 The curriculum committee resulted 533 00:32:31,182 --> 00:32:32,784 the curriculum change resulting 534 00:32:32,784 --> 00:32:35,586 from his increasing awareness of the globalization of business 535 00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:38,089 and the need to prepare UNF students for it. 536 00:32:38,523 --> 00:32:40,792 Betty Flinchum played a role as a catalyst. 537 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:43,561 She'd arranged for Traynham's predecessor, Ed Johnson, to 538 00:32:43,561 --> 00:32:47,632 establish the first agreement with two French schools to send students to UNF. 539 00:32:47,966 --> 00:32:49,701 She then nudged Traynham. 540 00:32:49,701 --> 00:32:50,668 The dean asked Jeff 541 00:32:50,668 --> 00:32:53,438 Stiegel to draft a major program for the Board of Regents approval. 542 00:32:53,805 --> 00:32:56,274 He told me, not entirely sympathetic faculty, 543 00:32:56,274 --> 00:32:59,877 that all future hires must have at least an international business minor. 544 00:33:00,445 --> 00:33:03,781 He sweetened the change, however, by subsidizing half a dozen faculty 545 00:33:04,148 --> 00:33:06,084 to spend a spring break in France 546 00:33:06,084 --> 00:33:08,753 to learn about the possibilities of international education. 547 00:33:09,687 --> 00:33:12,590 Further, he arranged and encouraged both students and faculty to begin 548 00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:13,891 learning about both business 549 00:33:13,891 --> 00:33:17,929 and foreign businesses, American and foreign businesses operating a world. 550 00:33:18,329 --> 00:33:21,799 The program began small, but grew rapidly to become the second 551 00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:23,701 largest major in the college. 552 00:33:23,701 --> 00:33:26,904 Agreements were established with institutions and half a dozen 553 00:33:26,904 --> 00:33:30,008 European countries Latin America, New Zealand and China. 554 00:33:30,408 --> 00:33:33,478 Traynham remembers student feedback on the program as positive. 555 00:33:35,413 --> 00:33:39,517 Yeah, I think it made it a much more exciting undergraduate curriculum. 556 00:33:39,684 --> 00:33:43,021 You know, our students, a large number of them, now go abroad 557 00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:45,790 as part of their undergraduate educational experience. 558 00:33:46,524 --> 00:33:49,660 In addition to these 20 or so exchange agreements that we have, 559 00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:52,697 where we exchange faculty and students, by the way, 560 00:33:54,198 --> 00:33:58,703 we run roughly eight to 10 561 00:33:58,703 --> 00:34:02,273 or 11 study of short term study abroad courses every year. 562 00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:08,579 And so it has introduced, I think, a very exciting element 563 00:34:08,713 --> 00:34:11,182 into our undergraduate curriculum. 564 00:34:12,517 --> 00:34:15,119 In the College of Arts and Sciences during these years, Dick Bizot 565 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:16,921 created a different kind of program 566 00:34:16,921 --> 00:34:20,291 bringing Irish studies to UNF in his early years, Bizot, 567 00:34:20,291 --> 00:34:23,861 it introduced African-American studies to the language and literature curriculum, 568 00:34:24,095 --> 00:34:27,265 focusing broadly on history, culture and art, as well as literature. 569 00:34:27,732 --> 00:34:31,502 When the department hired faculty who specialized in the field, 570 00:34:31,502 --> 00:34:35,773 Bizot looked to his own heritage on his mother's side to introduce courses 571 00:34:35,773 --> 00:34:39,710 that broadly combine the history, drama, art, culture and literature of Ireland. 572 00:34:40,344 --> 00:34:44,315 Irish studies was not a natural fit for UNF in Jacksonville, 573 00:34:44,315 --> 00:34:45,817 as it might have been in Savannah 574 00:34:45,817 --> 00:34:49,520 or Boston or some other large city with a strong Irish heritage. 575 00:34:49,954 --> 00:34:53,591 But with Bizot's enthusiasm, combined with financial support 576 00:34:53,591 --> 00:34:56,794 from Fred and Nancy Riley Schulz, the program grew. 577 00:34:57,161 --> 00:35:00,398 Bizot took students and faculty to Ireland during summer term. 578 00:35:00,665 --> 00:35:04,669 He brought poets and musicians to Jacksonville, pigging back, piggybacking 579 00:35:04,669 --> 00:35:08,873 with other southeastern universities and colleges to share costs with grants 580 00:35:08,873 --> 00:35:12,276 to encourage other faculty to develop courses in Irish history, politics 581 00:35:12,276 --> 00:35:16,814 and art concerts through fans from Ocala, Gainesville and Brunswick, Georgia. 582 00:35:17,248 --> 00:35:20,518 With eight or 10 events a year and dozens of students UNF's 583 00:35:20,518 --> 00:35:23,688 Irish studies became the fastest growing and perhaps 584 00:35:23,688 --> 00:35:26,424 most significant program of its kind in the south. 585 00:35:26,891 --> 00:35:30,094 It also became well known among writers and scholars in Ireland 586 00:35:30,795 --> 00:35:31,929 in the College of Education. 587 00:35:31,929 --> 00:35:33,531 Dean Carl Ashbaugh in the late 588 00:35:33,531 --> 00:35:37,935 1980s, hired Kathy Kasten to develop UNF's first doctoral program. 589 00:35:37,935 --> 00:35:41,506 Kasten and her colleagues believe his primary mission was to serve 590 00:35:41,906 --> 00:35:45,042 public school principals and administrators on the first coast. 591 00:35:45,376 --> 00:35:48,012 That had been her experience with a similar program in Omaha. 592 00:35:48,446 --> 00:35:52,016 To her surprise, only a few Duval principals responded to the opportunity. 593 00:35:52,383 --> 00:35:56,053 Instead, community college instructors with master's degrees applied, 594 00:35:56,287 --> 00:35:58,222 as did heads of nonprofits. 595 00:35:58,222 --> 00:36:02,059 Bill Mason, the former CEO of Baptist Medical Center, completed the program, 596 00:36:02,693 --> 00:36:06,264 as did Barbara Darby, president of FCCJs North Campus. 597 00:36:06,497 --> 00:36:09,800 And Rick Ferrin, executive director of the Jacksonville Port Authority. 598 00:36:10,334 --> 00:36:14,071 In response to the more diverse student body, cast and faculty shifted 599 00:36:14,071 --> 00:36:17,608 focus from educational leadership to a broader study of leadership. 600 00:36:18,075 --> 00:36:20,678 Bob Lofton taught a course on philosophy in the program. 601 00:36:20,978 --> 00:36:24,081 Steve Paulson from the College of Business taught organizational 602 00:36:24,081 --> 00:36:25,283 theory and management. 603 00:36:25,283 --> 00:36:28,452 Pritchy Smith and Carolyn Williams taught multicultural courses 604 00:36:28,819 --> 00:36:29,954 10 years in the program. 605 00:36:29,954 --> 00:36:32,156 Kasten believes that while there's room for improvement, 606 00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:35,693 the program has served the First Coast communities well. 607 00:36:36,294 --> 00:36:39,096 As UNF began ably under its original leadership. 608 00:36:39,363 --> 00:36:42,833 The institution matured substantially under the leadership of Adam 609 00:36:42,833 --> 00:36:45,603 Herbert, is provost and five college deans. 610 00:36:45,970 --> 00:36:49,440 The curriculum expanded, as did the number of faculty and faculty to support. 611 00:36:49,907 --> 00:36:52,677 Enrollment almost doubled with the strengthening of the extra 612 00:36:52,677 --> 00:36:56,948 curriculum under vice presidents for student affairs, endowments increased, 613 00:36:56,948 --> 00:37:00,985 and construction cranes were daily evidence of continuing physical growth. 614 00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:02,453 Before concluding, 615 00:37:02,453 --> 00:37:06,290 however, I need to share a few responses to the question that the committee 616 00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:11,128 supervising this oral history directed me to ask of each each interviewee. 617 00:37:11,529 --> 00:37:13,297 The question was, who were the two or three 618 00:37:13,297 --> 00:37:15,833 most colorful characters you have known at UNF, 619 00:37:17,635 --> 00:37:20,371 who was probably the one of the most interesting 620 00:37:21,572 --> 00:37:25,142 people I've ever met? I mean, his 621 00:37:25,142 --> 00:37:26,210 he was all over the board. 622 00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:29,547 I mean, all he could play the piano. He was a jazz enthusiast. 623 00:37:29,547 --> 00:37:32,817 He was probably the most prolific, 624 00:37:34,118 --> 00:37:37,088 good speller that I knew Ken really 625 00:37:37,655 --> 00:37:40,858 was a scholar and a prolific writer. 626 00:37:40,858 --> 00:37:46,430 And he did a hell of a job and Ken was very good in the class. 627 00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:48,833 And one thing that he would do in a classroom 628 00:37:50,801 --> 00:37:53,471 would be he would challenge the institution, stop. 629 00:37:54,705 --> 00:37:58,175 But he knew I mean, he knew more about baseball than anybody I ever met. 630 00:37:58,609 --> 00:38:01,779 He had baseball cards that wouldn't quit. 631 00:38:02,613 --> 00:38:04,815 He walked into his office at home and he had 632 00:38:07,518 --> 00:38:10,588 grandstand seats from Wrigley Field. 633 00:38:11,155 --> 00:38:14,692 So he just this his 634 00:38:16,193 --> 00:38:18,896 tastes were just all over the world. 635 00:38:18,896 --> 00:38:20,998 I mean, just incredible. 636 00:38:22,266 --> 00:38:25,569 I mean, it's not a day that doesn't go by that, I don't think. 637 00:38:27,905 --> 00:38:30,875 You needed something you call Andy Robinson. 638 00:38:30,908 --> 00:38:32,443 He would do whatever he could give you, 639 00:38:32,443 --> 00:38:36,147 whatever he had to help get through, whatever the crisis was you're in. 640 00:38:36,247 --> 00:38:40,518 I was just just the kind of person he was a very, very astute, 641 00:38:40,518 --> 00:38:43,387 very practical kind of guy. 642 00:38:43,521 --> 00:38:44,755 And I think probably had to be 643 00:38:44,755 --> 00:38:47,625 I mean, you know, when he started talking to me about 644 00:38:48,259 --> 00:38:48,826 he couldn't go to 645 00:38:48,826 --> 00:38:52,697 graduate school in the south and he actually got his doctoral degree 646 00:38:52,697 --> 00:38:56,267 from NYU, and once a month he would ride the train to New York City 647 00:38:57,034 --> 00:38:57,935 to take classes. 648 00:38:57,935 --> 00:39:01,672 And then in the summertime and that just to get his doctorate, 649 00:39:01,939 --> 00:39:04,909 you know, and he had fought in the in the war in Korea 650 00:39:05,843 --> 00:39:07,111 in the trenches and everything. 651 00:39:07,111 --> 00:39:09,880 So his background had prepared him for 652 00:39:10,881 --> 00:39:12,149 for a life dealing with 653 00:39:12,149 --> 00:39:14,552 all of the heavy, heavy issues that he had to deal with. 654 00:39:15,186 --> 00:39:18,789 And the he was just taken from us too early. 655 00:39:19,123 --> 00:39:22,793 It was all colorful, colorful, color, colorful 656 00:39:24,562 --> 00:39:27,498 was, first of all 657 00:39:27,498 --> 00:39:30,601 I would say Jack Funkhouser. 658 00:39:31,435 --> 00:39:35,239 Jack was brought in by Roy Lassiter who saw him 659 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,609 create in university at the University of Florida, 660 00:39:39,777 --> 00:39:43,013 a department that never existed before, and fill the vacuum 661 00:39:43,013 --> 00:39:45,983 that everybody desperately needed in structured communications. 662 00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:47,451 That's why he came here. 663 00:39:47,451 --> 00:39:48,886 That's how he brought him. 664 00:39:48,886 --> 00:39:52,656 Jack created structural communications from scratch. 665 00:39:53,424 --> 00:39:55,626 That worked extremely well. 666 00:39:55,626 --> 00:39:58,763 Jack himself would never hesitate 667 00:39:59,296 --> 00:40:05,903 to, by himself, push the equipment to a classroom at 8 in the evenings. 668 00:40:05,903 --> 00:40:08,172 So the professor will have it. 669 00:40:08,172 --> 00:40:10,441 Jack lived this university. 670 00:40:11,675 --> 00:40:16,347 The other colorful character was, of course, our own inimitable Bill Brown. 671 00:40:18,215 --> 00:40:21,051 He was a One-Man show when he was down the street. 672 00:40:21,919 --> 00:40:25,823 He had exuberance, ebullience, 673 00:40:26,557 --> 00:40:28,993 an actor's acting ability 674 00:40:28,993 --> 00:40:32,596 and an socialite's social ability. 675 00:40:33,364 --> 00:40:39,437 He he was he was playing in life, a character called Bill Brown. 676 00:40:40,671 --> 00:40:49,246 Bob Loftin was a craggy undergraduates philosophy teacher. 677 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:55,386 And he was passionate about his undergraduate teaching. 678 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,722 He he asked to have a four course 679 00:40:58,722 --> 00:41:02,059 load assignment rather than three, because he said, I'm not going to publish. 680 00:41:02,493 --> 00:41:03,327 I love teaching. 681 00:41:03,327 --> 00:41:06,964 That's what I want to do, living close to nature. 682 00:41:07,364 --> 00:41:10,067 He was a birdwatcher and an ornithologist. 683 00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:15,840 He was just a very, very 684 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,509 close observer of bird nature. 685 00:41:18,509 --> 00:41:21,378 But I think human beings as well, 686 00:41:21,378 --> 00:41:24,215 which made him an interesting philosopher to the students 687 00:41:25,082 --> 00:41:27,351 so that some of his speech, 688 00:41:27,351 --> 00:41:31,555 his philosophical statements were couched in 689 00:41:32,890 --> 00:41:37,928 the vernacular. He, too, 690 00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:41,198 preferred a beard. 691 00:41:41,198 --> 00:41:44,401 And those tennis shoes, 692 00:41:45,769 --> 00:41:46,837 those tennis shoes. 693 00:41:46,837 --> 00:41:50,641 Honest to goodness, I've never seen such a variety of red, 694 00:41:50,641 --> 00:41:55,179 white and blue and every other color of tennis shoes. 695 00:41:55,346 --> 00:41:58,482 And that's what you always you just expected to see that. 696 00:41:58,482 --> 00:42:00,784 And with with with Bob, 697 00:42:02,887 --> 00:42:05,022 I think he was a person of great integrity. 698 00:42:06,924 --> 00:42:09,560 Again, you think of Andrew, you think of his glasses 699 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,398 hanging off his ear, you know, and and Andrew was a straight shooter. 700 00:42:14,598 --> 00:42:17,034 I thought he would tell you 701 00:42:17,034 --> 00:42:21,572 it didn't matter if you weren't going to like what he was going to say. 702 00:42:23,374 --> 00:42:25,109 It was his opinion. 703 00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:27,244 And it was usually a pretty learned opinion 704 00:42:28,479 --> 00:42:34,685 because he he had a great wealth of knowledge that he was very happy to share. 705 00:42:34,718 --> 00:42:38,889 I thought that I always found and he was extremely cooperative. 706 00:42:39,490 --> 00:42:41,926 We had a library tour for every 707 00:42:42,726 --> 00:42:46,730 international group that I had that was number one on it. 708 00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:49,533 And Andrew would always try to make the point of coming out. 709 00:42:49,833 --> 00:42:52,102 And he would have he wanted to know what 710 00:42:53,337 --> 00:42:56,307 groups were coming and he would have something to say either 711 00:42:56,307 --> 00:42:59,176 in their language or about their country 712 00:42:59,610 --> 00:43:02,980 that he knew and very learned. 713 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,616 I thought in terms of. 714 00:43:05,749 --> 00:43:09,687 His knowledge of other countries, his passion for music, 715 00:43:10,821 --> 00:43:13,991 its uniqueness there, I thought was interesting, 716 00:43:14,391 --> 00:43:17,595 but I I've loved his insightfulness in meetings. 717 00:43:18,262 --> 00:43:22,499 I loved it when Andrew was in on in the meeting 718 00:43:22,499 --> 00:43:28,038 or on the committee or whatever, because if he didn't say very much, 719 00:43:28,072 --> 00:43:31,742 but when he said it, it was always straight to the point. 720 00:43:33,043 --> 00:43:38,182 I also asked the faculty and staff in my interviews, what characterizes UNF? 721 00:43:38,582 --> 00:43:41,485 Are we any more than a generic regional university? 722 00:43:41,885 --> 00:43:44,588 How do we know we are as good as we like to think we are? 723 00:43:45,289 --> 00:43:50,928 Responses varied: UNF's, jazz program, College of health programs, UNF 724 00:43:50,928 --> 00:43:54,832 urban internships, international business majors all stood out. 725 00:43:55,332 --> 00:43:59,603 But graduate programs remained relatively undeveloped in faculty research, 726 00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:01,071 while increasing 727 00:44:01,071 --> 00:44:05,342 does not match that of sister institutions in Orlando, Boca Raton or Miami. 728 00:44:05,943 --> 00:44:08,012 The emphasis on student faculty interaction 729 00:44:08,012 --> 00:44:10,547 and the quality of instruction has continued from the beginning. 730 00:44:10,948 --> 00:44:13,784 Resolving, according to President Delaney, in more than 731 00:44:14,985 --> 00:44:17,621 he said, 53000, saving 55000 732 00:44:17,621 --> 00:44:21,659 in the publication I read yesterday was clearly an asset to the university. 733 00:44:21,959 --> 00:44:24,695 A number of faculty mentioned their experiences with Florida, Florida 734 00:44:25,095 --> 00:44:26,930 State and undergraduates from other colleges 735 00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:30,634 and universities taking summer courses at UNF across the board. 736 00:44:30,868 --> 00:44:34,304 These transfer students felt UNF challenged them in the classroom, 737 00:44:34,571 --> 00:44:37,908 and they particularly appreciated their access to UNF faculty. 738 00:44:38,542 --> 00:44:41,979 Faculty collegiality and enthusiasm, however, appear less than in the early 739 00:44:41,979 --> 00:44:45,616 years. Yet, according to senior faculty, creative teaching and increased 740 00:44:45,616 --> 00:44:49,053 scholarship of younger faculty speaks well for UNF'S future. 741 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,791 The discontinuities in the administration in the 1980s stabilized in the 1990s, 742 00:44:54,158 --> 00:44:57,661 and though Ann Hopkins tenure was brief, due in part to health issues. 743 00:44:57,928 --> 00:45:01,565 The current administration, in the minds of those interviewed, appears capable. 744 00:45:02,232 --> 00:45:04,635 Faculty and staff interviewed now 745 00:45:04,635 --> 00:45:08,605 clearly recognize the importance of teaching and research at UNF. 746 00:45:08,605 --> 00:45:11,942 Yeah, but also stood out for a number of people interviewed was the growing 747 00:45:11,942 --> 00:45:15,546 relationship of the university to the larger Jacksonville community. 748 00:45:15,979 --> 00:45:19,917 From the beginning, individual faculty like Lowell Salter, Chris Rasche, Jane 749 00:45:19,917 --> 00:45:22,986 Decker, George Corrick and Earle Traynham became involved 750 00:45:22,986 --> 00:45:25,856 working with local governments, businesses and nonprofits. 751 00:45:26,223 --> 00:45:27,758 The Small Business Development Center 752 00:45:27,758 --> 00:45:31,261 and the Center for Local Government played significant roles in the region. 753 00:45:31,562 --> 00:45:33,997 The relationship of the Duval County Public Schools might 754 00:45:33,997 --> 00:45:37,568 it might depend on the particular superintendent in power. 755 00:45:37,935 --> 00:45:41,638 But outlying counties welcomed student interns and graduate courses 756 00:45:41,905 --> 00:45:44,742 offered in St. John's Putnam Clay or Nassau Counties. 757 00:45:45,242 --> 00:45:47,811 The Division of Nursing work closely with local hospitals 758 00:45:47,811 --> 00:45:50,080 in the College of Health expanded these partnerships. 759 00:45:50,581 --> 00:45:53,784 Clearly, units present presence contributed to a better 760 00:45:53,784 --> 00:45:57,054 prepared workforce, but its impact was greater than that. 761 00:45:57,721 --> 00:46:02,626 UNF improved the quality of lives and the quality of life in Jacksonville 762 00:46:04,261 --> 00:46:07,831 with music art. Prominent speakers, conferences 763 00:46:07,831 --> 00:46:11,635 and facilities like the University Center available for the public to use 764 00:46:12,302 --> 00:46:15,572 its women's center laid the groundwork for the Jacksonville Women's Center. 765 00:46:15,906 --> 00:46:19,276 Earth Day became a catalyst for larger environmental concerns. 766 00:46:19,710 --> 00:46:22,479 A recent JCCI report on the future of Jacksonville 767 00:46:22,479 --> 00:46:26,049 concluded for the city to achieve its greater goals. 768 00:46:26,049 --> 00:46:28,352 UNF must be a significant player. 769 00:46:28,852 --> 00:46:31,622 35 years is not a long time in anyone's history, 770 00:46:31,855 --> 00:46:34,725 which makes the development of UNF so significant. 771 00:46:35,125 --> 00:46:37,861 There's still a long way to go to become a mature institution. 772 00:46:38,162 --> 00:46:42,766 But the founding faculty, staff and students created UNF in 1972, and 773 00:46:42,766 --> 00:46:47,137 the current faculty, staff and students will continue building into the future. 774 00:46:47,504 --> 00:46:50,774 The creative process goes on and hopefully will never end. 775 00:46:51,341 --> 00:46:54,945 Betty Flinchum's reflections perhaps best offer some final words. 776 00:46:56,380 --> 00:47:00,551 For example, you make a contribution to something, a monetary contribution once. 777 00:47:01,652 --> 00:47:03,587 But if you make that contribution 778 00:47:03,587 --> 00:47:08,158 every year for 30 years, it's a significant contribution. 779 00:47:08,859 --> 00:47:12,462 You know, it may be up in 100000 by the time you finish 780 00:47:12,462 --> 00:47:16,133 that, you've contributed to your school or your church or whatever. 781 00:47:16,934 --> 00:47:21,405 So if you if you contribute something to an institution. 782 00:47:22,606 --> 00:47:26,243 Every day since 1972. 783 00:47:28,078 --> 00:47:31,582 You should be considered a significant person. 784 00:47:32,049 --> 00:47:36,320 It seems to me so, I think just saying that 785 00:47:37,621 --> 00:47:40,924 it's significant, the knowledge we. 786 00:47:40,924 --> 00:47:43,727 Given the community. 787 00:47:43,727 --> 00:47:48,165 So that's it. So I would single out all of the founding faculty 788 00:47:48,165 --> 00:47:52,236 who stayed with it, stayed with UNF because 789 00:47:52,636 --> 00:47:55,639 of the cumulative. Contribution. 790 00:47:57,474 --> 00:48:22,833 Thank you. Jim Crooks 791 00:48:22,833 --> 00:48:25,335 welcomes your questions and invites your reflections. 792 00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:34,044 Anybody have a comment? 793 00:48:35,979 --> 00:48:54,164 George? The only regret in preparing this is I could not include Bill 794 00:48:54,164 --> 00:48:59,703 Slaughter's story about Bob Lofton or or, you know, other stories that were heard 795 00:49:00,270 --> 00:49:02,406 in so many different ways about different people. 796 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,876 I couldn't talk about the honors program. 797 00:49:05,876 --> 00:49:08,312 I had the urban internship program 798 00:49:08,312 --> 00:49:11,915 in the College of Ed in an earlier draft, but we had to cut it for tonight. 799 00:49:12,449 --> 00:49:16,253 So but there will be a story written next year, hopefully 800 00:49:16,954 --> 00:49:20,557 after I complete interviews, which will be a fuller story 801 00:49:20,557 --> 00:49:23,193 than the one we could share tonight. 802 00:49:28,899 --> 00:49:31,635 I thought of it as an extended essay, but 803 00:49:34,538 --> 00:49:36,840 the interviews should be completed 804 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,110 by the end of June, the fiscal year, and then 805 00:49:41,244 --> 00:49:43,680 presumably within five or 10, no, 806 00:49:43,747 --> 00:49:46,950 within a couple of months, something will be written. 807 00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:48,485 But this will be the foundation. 808 00:49:51,621 --> 00:49:57,561 Bill? Maybe there ought to be an appendix 809 00:49:57,828 --> 00:50:00,664 in which we all get to tell our favorite Jim Crooks stories. 810 00:50:07,371 --> 00:50:09,639 Well, before it at the reception earlier, 811 00:50:09,973 --> 00:50:11,708 some of us were talking about the boathouse 812 00:50:11,708 --> 00:50:15,779 and some of the escapades that took place at the boathouse in the early years, 813 00:50:17,447 --> 00:50:20,650 particularly in late afternoon. 814 00:50:21,385 --> 00:50:23,787 I have a favorite Jim Crooks story. 815 00:50:26,023 --> 00:50:29,593 Jim taught for honors several times, 816 00:50:29,593 --> 00:50:33,430 four or five times, maybe a course called American Poverty, 817 00:50:34,097 --> 00:50:37,701 where he took our 18 year old honors freshman 818 00:50:37,701 --> 00:50:40,904 out into the community and service agencies, 819 00:50:40,904 --> 00:50:45,142 and he transformed their sense of the complexity of the world. 820 00:50:45,609 --> 00:50:48,779 And I just want to continue to thank you for that. Thank you. 821 00:50:52,649 --> 00:50:55,619 Thank you. Yeah, I. 822 00:51:00,023 --> 00:51:03,960 Well, I'm Jim Parrish of I, I 823 00:51:06,296 --> 00:51:09,566 hope that somehow or other, the 824 00:51:11,201 --> 00:51:14,104 contribution that Roy Lassiter made to 825 00:51:14,104 --> 00:51:17,941 this place doesn't get lost. 826 00:51:27,517 --> 00:51:30,520 I think it's past the retiree's bedtime 827 00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:36,526 probably. Any other 828 00:51:36,526 --> 00:51:40,864 comments? OK, thank you.